Paul Ince - praise for a change

[Lord Kangana]

I think, like us, he's enjoying the idea that theres at least one other team worse than their own....schadenfreude I believe they call it.

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

I'm entirely unsure as to why ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsWhatever feels it necessary to slag off Ince.

He's a Sunderland fan, right?

Supporting a team managed by Roy Keane. And having a go at Paul Ince? Where's Mr Pot, we have Mr Kettle to meet him.

I have no reason to slag off Roy Keane. The only thing he did worthy of note against Sunderland as a player was get sent off at the SoL, but Man Utd still won that game. Unlike fans of some clubs (not just yourselves), referees and media pundits I don't see why his playing antics are brought up now he is a manager. Sure, he was a dirty player, but he has since retired and has the manner of a very calm manager. Outspoken, yes; but not aggressive.

Paul Ince, on the other hand, as I have stated above deserves slating for using the race card to be effectively given a top job after a handful of games managing a team in the lower league. He is also a moody bastard. The way he refused to sign autographs for bairns was disgraceful, especially given some of the 'big' names for Blackburn were more than happy to do so.

Likewise, as players, Keane wasn't spotted wearing another clubs shirt around a week before signing for them while being employed by someone else.

I cannot fathom why Bolton fans hate Roy Keane so much when he didn't play for your main rivals, nor has managed them; and I cannot fathom why most of you cannot let whatever your grudge is in the past. He has moved on, why don't you all do the same?

[Lord Kangana]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

[David Lee's Hair]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

You're forgetting Radcliffe Borough LK

[Worthy4England]

I cannot fathom why Bolton fans hate Roy Keane so much when he didn't play for your main rivals, nor has managed them; and I cannot fathom why most of you cannot let whatever your grudge is in the past. He has moved on, why don't you all do the same?

You're having a laugh aren't you? We might be miles apart in terms of size, chances of winning the Prem etc, that doesn't mean to say psychologically that we don't hate the Redshite with a passion.

There's 19.5 miles between the two grounds and as it happens and I've spent most of my life nearer to the Redshite than to the Reebok. When we were at Burnden, we were only about 15 miles apart - which isn't much more than the distance between you and the Great Geordie Nation.

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

[potter1989bwfc]

I cannot fathom why Bolton fans hate Roy Keane so much when he didn't play for your main rivals, nor has managed them; and I cannot fathom why most of you cannot let whatever your grudge is in the past. He has moved on, why don't you all do the same?

You're having a laugh aren't you? We might be miles apart in terms of size, chances of winning the Prem etc, that doesn't mean to say psychologically that we don't hate the Redshite with a passion.

There's 19.5 miles between the two grounds and as it happens and I've spent most of my life nearer to the Redshite than to the Reebok. When we were at Burnden, we were only about 15 miles apart - which isn't much more than the distance between you and the Great Geordie Nation.

12.6 miles

[Verbal]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

You've completely lost me there, TPKA...care to explain?

anywho..I think it depends on who you ask, if I'm honest - there was a thread on here a while back discussing who you considered the big rivals were, and the response was fairly mixed; Man U, City, Blackburn, wigan, Wolves...even Bury got a mentain IIRC.

I guess alot of it is down to 'history', and as I've been growing up as a fan with us playing a decent amount of North West clubs on an annual basis for the last ten years or so, I've been more inclined to develop an irrational hatred for them. Heh.

[potter1989bwfc]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

no there is a reason for us hating manchester united is when we won the 1958 fa cup we tried to be nice and show them the FA cup after all that happened and we got bricked and that....or thats what i got told off my next door neighbour......and there me thinking people were Gentlemen back then

[warthog]

United aren't seen as Bolton's rivals, they're just widely disliked.

The incident in 1958 is one reason - the players bus was stoned as it went through Salford, but it's their fans as well, many of whom never go near Old Trafford.

In terms of proximity and size of club, Blackburn are rivals, but any antipathy is dwarfed compared to that between Burnley and Blackburn. Those two really hate each other.

Wigan hate us, for reasons I've never worked out, but we just laugh at them.

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

I cannot fathom why Bolton fans hate Roy Keane so much when he didn't play for your main rivals, nor has managed them; and I cannot fathom why most of you cannot let whatever your grudge is in the past. He has moved on, why don't you all do the same?

You're having a laugh aren't you? We might be miles apart in terms of size, chances of winning the Prem etc, that doesn't mean to say psychologically that we don't hate the Redshite with a passion.

There's 19.5 miles between the two grounds and as it happens and I've spent most of my life nearer to the Redshite than to the Reebok. When we were at Burnden, we were only about 15 miles apart - which isn't much more than the distance between you and the Great Geordie Nation.

Bolton to Wigan - 10.04 miles
Bolton to Blackburn - 16.99 miles
Bolton to Oldham - 18.51 miles
Bolton to Bury - 6.98 miles
Bolton to Rochdale - 18.56 miles
Bolton to City Of Manchester Stadium - 14.72 miles
Bolton to Old Trafford - 16.46 miles.

Those are the figures taken from 'multimap' on the quickest route when driving. I have taken a selection of clubs from around the Greater Manchester area and from that list, Old Trafford is 4th on the list, behind Man City. Why don't you hate Man City more? Geographically, they are closer...

[Worthy4England]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

Only in your eyes I think. I suspect to most "outsiders" - they'd view Sunderland as being more on a par with Boro than Newcastle. Pretty much the way people may well view us as being more on a par with Blackburn than ManUre.

[Lord Kangana]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

Again, you've lost me a bit. My family are generally from the Manchester/Salford areas, they've always supported the Wanderers, and United more than anyone else, have always been the rivals. Considering over a streetch of more than 100 games we were the only team to have a superior record than Utd in head-to-heads (subsequently lost under Allardyce), I would suggest you are trying to make the facts fit your argument.

In a modern, multi-million pound Premier League are we main rivals of United? Of course not, the world has changed incomparibly for them. And its also incomparible to Newcastle/Sunderland. That hasn't moved on because A) theres no-one else to move on to B)more importantly the clubs themselves haven't moved on from being bog-standard top-flight clubs.

It might be difficult for you to get your head round United/Bolton rivalry, but imagine a time before Sky et al, when super-rich international clubs didn't exist, where your club spent the majority of its time in the same division as its nearest other club. Tell me, would you expect a rivalry?

[Lord Kangana]

I cannot fathom why Bolton fans hate Roy Keane so much when he didn't play for your main rivals, nor has managed them; and I cannot fathom why most of you cannot let whatever your grudge is in the past. He has moved on, why don't you all do the same?

You're having a laugh aren't you? We might be miles apart in terms of size, chances of winning the Prem etc, that doesn't mean to say psychologically that we don't hate the Redshite with a passion.

There's 19.5 miles between the two grounds and as it happens and I've spent most of my life nearer to the Redshite than to the Reebok. When we were at Burnden, we were only about 15 miles apart - which isn't much more than the distance between you and the Great Geordie Nation.

Bolton to Wigan - 10.04 miles
Bolton to Blackburn - 16.99 miles
Bolton to Oldham - 18.51 miles
Bolton to Bury - 6.98 miles
Bolton to Rochdale - 18.56 miles
Bolton to City Of Manchester Stadium - 14.72 miles
Bolton to Old Trafford - 16.46 miles.

Those are the figures taken from 'multimap' on the quickest route when driving. I have taken a selection of clubs from around the Greater Manchester area and from that list, Old Trafford is 4th on the list, behind Man City. Why don't you hate Man City more? Geographically, they are closer...

Burnden Park?

[superjohnmcginlay]

I cannot fathom why Bolton fans hate Roy Keane so much when he didn't play for your main rivals, nor has managed them; and I cannot fathom why most of you cannot let whatever your grudge is in the past. He has moved on, why don't you all do the same?

You're having a laugh aren't you? We might be miles apart in terms of size, chances of winning the Prem etc, that doesn't mean to say psychologically that we don't hate the Redshite with a passion.

There's 19.5 miles between the two grounds and as it happens and I've spent most of my life nearer to the Redshite than to the Reebok. When we were at Burnden, we were only about 15 miles apart - which isn't much more than the distance between you and the Great Geordie Nation.

Bolton to Wigan - 10.04 miles
Bolton to Blackburn - 16.99 miles
Bolton to Oldham - 18.51 miles
Bolton to Bury - 6.98 miles
Bolton to Rochdale - 18.56 miles
Bolton to City Of Manchester Stadium - 14.72 miles
Bolton to Old Trafford - 16.46 miles.

Those are the figures taken from 'multimap' on the quickest route when driving. I have taken a selection of clubs from around the Greater Manchester area and from that list, Old Trafford is 4th on the list, behind Man City. Why don't you hate Man City more? Geographically, they are closer...

Bolton to Tranmere - lots more miles. It doesnt really matter they are still fooking vermin.

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

Only in your eyes I think. I suspect to most "outsiders" - they'd view Sunderland as being more on a par with Boro than Newcastle. Pretty much the way people may well view us as being more on a par with Blackburn than ManUre.

I don't doubt for one minute that people would see us as being on par with Boro, or even behind Boro in recent times. After all, they are the ones that have been in a final more recently, and have played in a European final also. In those terms, Boro are the most successful club from the North East (even though they're based in Yorkshire!) in a long time. 1973 for us, and 1955 for the Mags to find the other major trophies in the North East. Poor showing for the supposed 'hot bed of football' (Copyright, Sky TV).

[ratbert]

Some think United are our main rivals, but they aren't. United care far, far more about Liverpool and City than they do about us. Geography has nothing to do with it.

Some Bolton fans really need to get real about this. Sorry.

[ThePosterFormerlyKnownAs]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

Again, you've lost me a bit. My family are generally from the Manchester/Salford areas, they've always supported the Wanderers, and United more than anyone else, have always been the rivals. Considering over a streetch of more than 100 games we were the only team to have a superior record than Utd in head-to-heads (subsequently lost under Allardyce), I would suggest you are trying to make the facts fit your argument.

In a modern, multi-million pound Premier League are we main rivals of United? Of course not, the world has changed incomparibly for them. And its also incomparible to Newcastle/Sunderland. That hasn't moved on because A) theres no-one else to move on to B)more importantly the clubs themselves haven't moved on from being bog-standard top-flight clubs.

It might be difficult for you to get your head round United/Bolton rivalry, but imagine a time before Sky et al, when super-rich international clubs didn't exist, where your club spent the majority of its time in the same division as its nearest other club. Tell me, would you expect a rivalry?

My club hasn't really spent a lot of time in the same division after the 50's so we haven't really played any teams loads of times. Even the mags we have only played them 138 times. When you compare that to the Steel City Derby (which pales in comparison to be honest, the atmosphere at the one I went to was crap), which has been played over 200 times is poor. That is more our fault than anyones, though.

You don't need to lecture me on the birth of Sky football. It has been Sky that have given Newcastle the 'right' to stay in the Premiership and have 52,000 diehard mugs support them every week. Sky are also responsible for the likes of Chelsea being rich etc, mind you. Anyhoo, I disgress.

My point is, I personally don't understand why you hate Man Utd so much, but as has been pointed out in this thread that it has history, so fair enough. And as I have said, it must be hard in the NW with so many teams trying to compete for fans and the like.

It still doesn't mean I don't understand why you hate Roy Keane so much. He's retired from playing and is trying to make a name for himself as a manager. Would he be villified it he took over from Megson? I doubt it, because fans always support the person in charge, and the people wearing the shirt of the team you love. Irrespective of what his past is, Roy Keane as a manager is different to that of Roy Keane as a player.

[potter1989bwfc]

United aren't seen as Bolton's rivals, they're just widely disliked.

The incident in 1958 is one reason - the players bus was stoned as it went through Salford, but it's their fans as well, many of whom never go near Old Trafford.

In terms of proximity and size of club, Blackburn are rivals, but any antipathy is dwarfed compared to that between Burnley and Blackburn. Those two really hate each other.

Wigan hate us, for reasons I've never worked out, but we just laugh at them.

still united fans
and the other reason i 'hate' them is because all the glory hunting people who go round thinking there it and they got players like Rio 'yes i take drugs' ferdinand and wayne 'i shag grandmas when im bored' rooney who think there it.....when we beat united 1-0 last season Rio getting on to the team coach told 1 of our fans to "feck off" or something of that manner....so i think that sums up why i hate united more then wigan or the inbreads

[superjohnmcginlay]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

Again, you've lost me a bit. My family are generally from the Manchester/Salford areas, they've always supported the Wanderers, and United more than anyone else, have always been the rivals. Considering over a streetch of more than 100 games we were the only team to have a superior record than Utd in head-to-heads (subsequently lost under Allardyce), I would suggest you are trying to make the facts fit your argument.

In a modern, multi-million pound Premier League are we main rivals of United? Of course not, the world has changed incomparibly for them. And its also incomparible to Newcastle/Sunderland. That hasn't moved on because A) theres no-one else to move on to B)more importantly the clubs themselves haven't moved on from being bog-standard top-flight clubs.

It might be difficult for you to get your head round United/Bolton rivalry, but imagine a time before Sky et al, when super-rich international clubs didn't exist, where your club spent the majority of its time in the same division as its nearest other club. Tell me, would you expect a rivalry?

My club hasn't really spent a lot of time in the same division after the 50's so we haven't really played any teams loads of times. Even the mags we have only played them 138 times. When you compare that to the Steel City Derby (which pales in comparison to be honest, the atmosphere at the one I went to was crap), which has been played over 200 times is poor. That is more our fault than anyones, though.

You don't need to lecture me on the birth of Sky football. It has been Sky that have given Newcastle the 'right' to stay in the Premiership and have 52,000 diehard mugs support them every week. Sky are also responsible for the likes of Chelsea being rich etc, mind you. Anyhoo, I disgress.

My point is, I personally don't understand why you hate Man Utd so much, but as has been pointed out in this thread that it has history, so fair enough. And as I have said, it must be hard in the NW with so many teams trying to compete for fans and the like.

It still doesn't mean I don't understand why you hate Roy Keane so much. He's retired from playing and is trying to make a name for himself as a manager. Would he be villified it he took over from Megson? I doubt it, because fans always support the person in charge, and the people wearing the shirt of the team you love. Irrespective of what his past is, Roy Keane as a manager is different to that of Roy Keane as a player.

Nope. He's still a cnut.