Paul Ince - praise for a change

[Worthy4England]

I cannot fathom why Bolton fans hate Roy Keane so much when he didn't play for your main rivals, nor has managed them; and I cannot fathom why most of you cannot let whatever your grudge is in the past. He has moved on, why don't you all do the same?

You're having a laugh aren't you? We might be miles apart in terms of size, chances of winning the Prem etc, that doesn't mean to say psychologically that we don't hate the Redshite with a passion.

There's 19.5 miles between the two grounds and as it happens and I've spent most of my life nearer to the Redshite than to the Reebok. When we were at Burnden, we were only about 15 miles apart - which isn't much more than the distance between you and the Great Geordie Nation.

Bolton to Wigan - 10.04 miles
Bolton to Blackburn - 16.99 miles
Bolton to Oldham - 18.51 miles
Bolton to Bury - 6.98 miles
Bolton to Rochdale - 18.56 miles
Bolton to City Of Manchester Stadium - 14.72 miles
Bolton to Old Trafford - 16.46 miles.

Those are the figures taken from 'multimap' on the quickest route when driving. I have taken a selection of clubs from around the Greater Manchester area and from that list, Old Trafford is 4th on the list, behind Man City. Why don't you hate Man City more? Geographically, they are closer...

I personally don't hate City more, because they've only recently moved "much nearer" - from Maine Road, which was about 20 miles away - and most of their fans that I know aren't complete and utter gobshites who've never been near the ground their team play at.

If it was all just about "proximity" between the two grounds, then we'd all have to hate Bury - which isn't really worth getting out of bed for. I don't agree with Warty, suggesting that our main rivals "psychologically" are Blackburn (although in footballing terms this may well be true and I'm more than happy for Warty to have his own opinion). I think Warty lives much nearer to Ewood Park than Old Trafford, so for him, it's likely to be more of an issue. Many Bolton fans who live t'other side of Bolton from Warty are way nearer to OT than they would probably want to be - I'm less than 10 miles from OT and 20 miles to Ewood - why would I dislike Blackburn more? I can't remember the last time a saw someone from Blackburn (other than at football).

[potter1989bwfc]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

Again, you've lost me a bit. My family are generally from the Manchester/Salford areas, they've always supported the Wanderers, and United more than anyone else, have always been the rivals. Considering over a streetch of more than 100 games we were the only team to have a superior record than Utd in head-to-heads (subsequently lost under Allardyce), I would suggest you are trying to make the facts fit your argument.

In a modern, multi-million pound Premier League are we main rivals of United? Of course not, the world has changed incomparibly for them. And its also incomparible to Newcastle/Sunderland. That hasn't moved on because A) theres no-one else to move on to B)more importantly the clubs themselves haven't moved on from being bog-standard top-flight clubs.

It might be difficult for you to get your head round United/Bolton rivalry, but imagine a time before Sky et al, when super-rich international clubs didn't exist, where your club spent the majority of its time in the same division as its nearest other club. Tell me, would you expect a rivalry?

My club hasn't really spent a lot of time in the same division after the 50's so we haven't really played any teams loads of times. Even the mags we have only played them 138 times. When you compare that to the Steel City Derby (which pales in comparison to be honest, the atmosphere at the one I went to was crap), which has been played over 200 times is poor. That is more our fault than anyones, though.

You don't need to lecture me on the birth of Sky football. It has been Sky that have given Newcastle the 'right' to stay in the Premiership and have 52,000 diehard mugs support them every week. Sky are also responsible for the likes of Chelsea being rich etc, mind you. Anyhoo, I disgress.

My point is, I personally don't understand why you hate Man Utd so much, but as has been pointed out in this thread that it has history, so fair enough. And as I have said, it must be hard in the NW with so many teams trying to compete for fans and the like.

It still doesn't mean I don't understand why you hate Roy Keane so much. He's retired from playing and is trying to make a name for himself as a manager. Would he be villified it he took over from Megson? I doubt it, because fans always support the person in charge, and the people wearing the shirt of the team you love. Irrespective of what his past is, Roy Keane as a manager is different to that of Roy Keane as a player.

the reason i hate him is because of the Alf-Inge Haaland tackle and then he comes out and admits he meant it
but hey ? hes trying to make a name for himself as a manager so im sure Alf-Inge Haaland will let him off won't he ?

[bobo the clown]

... anyway ... back to Paul Ince ... (tosser) ...

[enfieldwhite]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

Again, you've lost me a bit. My family are generally from the Manchester/Salford areas, they've always supported the Wanderers, and United more than anyone else, have always been the rivals. Considering over a streetch of more than 100 games we were the only team to have a superior record than Utd in head-to-heads (subsequently lost under Allardyce), I would suggest you are trying to make the facts fit your argument.

In a modern, multi-million pound Premier League are we main rivals of United? Of course not, the world has changed incomparibly for them. And its also incomparible to Newcastle/Sunderland. That hasn't moved on because A) theres no-one else to move on to B)more importantly the clubs themselves haven't moved on from being bog-standard top-flight clubs.

It might be difficult for you to get your head round United/Bolton rivalry, but imagine a time before Sky et al, when super-rich international clubs didn't exist, where your club spent the majority of its time in the same division as its nearest other club. Tell me, would you expect a rivalry?

My club hasn't really spent a lot of time in the same division after the 50's so we haven't really played any teams loads of times. Even the mags we have only played them 138 times. When you compare that to the Steel City Derby (which pales in comparison to be honest, the atmosphere at the one I went to was crap), which has been played over 200 times is poor. That is more our fault than anyones, though.

You don't need to lecture me on the birth of Sky football. It has been Sky that have given Newcastle the 'right' to stay in the Premiership and have 52,000 diehard mugs support them every week. Sky are also responsible for the likes of Chelsea being rich etc, mind you. Anyhoo, I disgress.

My point is, I personally don't understand why you hate Man Utd so much, but as has been pointed out in this thread that it has history, so fair enough. And as I have said, it must be hard in the NW with so many teams trying to compete for fans and the like.

It still doesn't mean I don't understand why you hate Roy Keane so much. He's retired from playing and is trying to make a name for himself as a manager. Would he be villified it he took over from Megson? I doubt it, because fans always support the person in charge, and the people wearing the shirt of the team you love. Irrespective of what his past is, Roy Keane as a manager is different to that of Roy Keane as a player.

Nope. He's still a cnut.

I'm sur Alf Inge Haaland will be delighted to hear that.

[superjohnmcginlay]

This thread reminded me to go and have a look on t'rovers board. If you want cheering up go over there and have a laugh. Oh and Zulu stop being so nice to them.

[Prufrock]

I'm entirely unsure as to why ThePosterFormerlyKnownAsWhatever feels it necessary to slag off Ince.

He's a Sunderland fan, right?

Supporting a team managed by Roy Keane. And having a go at Paul Ince? Where's Mr Pot, we have Mr Kettle to meet him.

I have no reason to slag off Roy Keane. The only thing he did worthy of note against Sunderland as a player was get sent off at the SoL, but Man Utd still won that game. Unlike fans of some clubs (not just yourselves), referees and media pundits I don't see why his playing antics are brought up now he is a manager. Sure, he was a dirty player, but he has since retired and has the manner of a very calm manager. Outspoken, yes; but not aggressive.

Paul Ince, on the other hand, as I have stated above deserves slating for using the race card to be effectively given a top job after a handful of games managing a team in the lower league. He is also a moody bastard. The way he refused to sign autographs for bairns was disgraceful, especially given some of the 'big' names for Blackburn were more than happy to do so.

Likewise, as players, Keane wasn't spotted wearing another clubs shirt around a week before signing for them while being employed by someone else.

I cannot fathom why Bolton fans hate Roy Keane so much when he didn't play for your main rivals, nor has managed them; and I cannot fathom why most of you cannot let whatever your grudge is in the past. He has moved on, why don't you all do the same?

Without wanting to defend either of the dirty rag b*stards. If racism doesnt play any part, how do you explain how Ince and Keane, two similar characters, similar players, similarly 'respected' characters in football ended up with first jobs so disparate?

[Prufrock]

The geographical proximity of old Trafford may have escaped your notice, so let me help you out - its very close to Bolton, and to about half the town its the nearest 'other' club.

I, and probably many others, have always assumed that Blackburn or Burnley were your main rivals. If we are taking people supporting other clubs within the town/city as a reason to be rivals, then our second rivals would be Chelsea. Flawed logic, that one.

I do admit that in the North West where there are loads of teams that there is always going to be rivalries due to support but never would have thought Man Utd would be classed as your main rival. And seeing as how their main rival(s) would be L'pool or City, does that make you the annoying cousin who just wants attention? Like Boro are to us and Newcastle, or Stockport to Man City?

Again, you've lost me a bit. My family are generally from the Manchester/Salford areas, they've always supported the Wanderers, and United more than anyone else, have always been the rivals. Considering over a streetch of more than 100 games we were the only team to have a superior record than Utd in head-to-heads (subsequently lost under Allardyce), I would suggest you are trying to make the facts fit your argument.

In a modern, multi-million pound Premier League are we main rivals of United? Of course not, the world has changed incomparibly for them. And its also incomparible to Newcastle/Sunderland. That hasn't moved on because A) theres no-one else to move on to B)more importantly the clubs themselves haven't moved on from being bog-standard top-flight clubs.

It might be difficult for you to get your head round United/Bolton rivalry, but imagine a time before Sky et al, when super-rich international clubs didn't exist, where your club spent the majority of its time in the same division as its nearest other club. Tell me, would you expect a rivalry?

My club hasn't really spent a lot of time in the same division after the 50's so we haven't really played any teams loads of times. Even the mags we have only played them 138 times. When you compare that to the Steel City Derby (which pales in comparison to be honest, the atmosphere at the one I went to was crap), which has been played over 200 times is poor. That is more our fault than anyones, though.

You don't need to lecture me on the birth of Sky football. It has been Sky that have given Newcastle the 'right' to stay in the Premiership and have 52,000 diehard mugs support them every week. Sky are also responsible for the likes of Chelsea being rich etc, mind you. Anyhoo, I disgress.

My point is, I personally don't understand why you hate Man Utd so much, but as has been pointed out in this thread that it has history, so fair enough. And as I have said, it must be hard in the NW with so many teams trying to compete for fans and the like.

It still doesn't mean I don't understand why you hate Roy Keane so much. He's retired from playing and is trying to make a name for himself as a manager. Would he be villified it he took over from Megson? I doubt it, because fans always support the person in charge, and the people wearing the shirt of the team you love. Irrespective of what his past is, Roy Keane as a manager is different to that of Roy Keane as a player.

Ours don't, be they right or wrong.

[Zulus Thousand of em]

This thread reminded me to go and have a look on t'rovers board. If you want cheering up go over there and have a laugh. Oh and Zulu stop being so nice to them.

I'm only lulling them into a false sense of security.

[Soldier_Of_The_White_Army]

Paul Ince is a nob! (I'd use prxck, but it's otherwise employed!)

[jmjhb]

2-0 down against Pompey!

[warthog]

2-0 down against Pompey!

You were saying?

[jmjhb]

2-0 down against Pompey!

You were saying?

I was saying Pompey are unable to defend leads

[warthog]

Oops. 3-2 to Portsmouth final score.

That Blackburn web site has melted.

[eddybwfc]

Oops. 3-2 to Portsmouth final score.

That Blackburn web site has melted.

lol, think its blackburns season for going down this year?

[jaffka]

606 they are suicidal!

Its great!

[jaffka]

606 they are suicidal!

Its great!

and again they are calling for his head!!!

[warthog]

May I draw your attention to this very fine thread.

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?sho ... 224&st=400

[jaffka]

May I draw your attention to this very fine thread.

http://www.brfcs.co.uk/mb/index.php?sho ... 224&st=400

This is tremendous

[Lord Kangana]

Beware folks, this sounds like us lot a few weeks ago (and yes, just about everyone was on suicide watch).

Question is, can Ince turn it round, can we hope they keep him and stay sh*t, and can we rely on them to keep 1 of the 3 places off us? I hope so

[jaffka]

Beware folks, this sounds like us lot a few weeks ago (and yes, just about everyone was on suicide watch).

Question is, can Ince turn it round, can we hope they keep him and stay sh*t, and can we rely on them to keep 1 of the 3 places off us? I hope so

Rovers strength is in their attack, an aging midfield and failing to replace Bently has cut off the supply to their front men.

Santa Cruz is unsettled and wants to leave along with others.

McCarthy is doing a Jardel impression.

By all accounts the team are falling out, requesting transfers and are upset as to how Ince trains and treats them.

Long may it continue!