Nolan sends Newcastle down?

[bobo the clown]

And the equiliser, where he blocked the defender to allow Taylor to score. Oddly, no-one was slating this tactic then, or indeed (as shown on MoTD) when he fouled Rob Green against West Ham last season, which kept us in the division. You win some you lose some.

And like I've said, if he fouls a goalkeeper, he's not cost anyone a goal, because (in the referees opinion) there wouldn't have been a goal if he wasn't fouling the goalkeeper.

The rule that allows this sort of blatant obstruction (I never thought it right when he played for us, nor his deliberately standing offside at free kicks) is more to blame than Nolan. I'm still not convinced he did much wrong (within the rules) yesterday.

... but that tactic of standing with his arms crossed on his chest, to show "I'm doing nothing wrong" was one he's taken up there with him. It 'worked' for us maybe a couple of times ... however, it led to free-kick & so wasted opportunities to us dozens of times.

I agree that, in fact, he's probably quite innocent, but on a cost/benefit analysis, it generally costs the team rather than helps it.

Corners these days are weird. Keepers get 100% protection; players are often not looking at the ball simply seeking to obstruct a runner; half the time the defenders look like they are doing judo as they hold, palm-off, block the person they are marking.

Overall, he really should just realise it isn't a succesful tactic and desist.

[Worthy4England]

And the equiliser, where he blocked the defender to allow Taylor to score. Oddly, no-one was slating this tactic then, or indeed (as shown on MoTD) when he fouled Rob Green against West Ham last season, which kept us in the division. You win some you lose some.

And like I've said, if he fouls a goalkeeper, he's not cost anyone a goal, because (in the referees opinion) there wouldn't have been a goal if he wasn't fouling the goalkeeper.

The rule that allows this sort of blatant obstruction (I never thought it right when he played for us, nor his deliberately standing offside at free kicks) is more to blame than Nolan. I'm still not convinced he did much wrong (within the rules) yesterday.

... but that tactic of standing with his arms crossed on his chest, to show "I'm doing nothing wrong" was one he's taken up there with him. It 'worked' for us maybe a couple of times ... however, it led to free-kick & so wasted opportunities to us dozens of times.

I agree that, in fact, he's probably quite innocent, but on a cost/benefit analysis, it generally costs the team rather than helps it.

Corners these days are weird. Keepers get 100% protection; players are often not looking at the ball simply seeking to obstruct a runner; half the time the defenders look like they are doing judo as they hold, palm-off, block the person they are marking.

Overall, he really should just realise it isn't a succesful tactic and desist.

Surely on corners, which is something generally Manager plan out, he's being told to stand there and get in the way of the keeper by the Manager? If the tactic was unsuccessful, surely the Manager would tell him to stop doing it?

[bobo the clown]

Surely on corners, which is something generally Manager plan out, he's being told to stand there and get in the way of the keeper by the Manager? If the tactic was unsuccessful, surely the Manager would tell him to stop doing it?

Well, you'd think.

Except he did it here now he's gone we don't do it any more .... and Newcastle didn't do it, but they do now. I've never seen any other club doing it.

All of which suggests it's his idea.

The coach's should be in control, of course, but it seems like he's persuaded them to let him do it.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Surely on corners, which is something generally Manager plan out, he's being told to stand there and get in the way of the keeper by the Manager? If the tactic was unsuccessful, surely the Manager would tell him to stop doing it?

Well, you'd think.

Except he did it here now he's gone we don't do it any more .... and Newcastle didn't do it, but they do now. I've never seen any other club doing it.

Oh others do do it, but not every time.

I'd say once might be enough to unsettle a goalkeeper. Or stand on his toes then move off as the corner's kicked, which also gives defenders a new problem. Because as has been said, it's as sure as shit that if a keeper gets a grass-stained elbow he'll get a free-kick.

[H. Pedersen]

Surely on corners, which is something generally Manager plan out, he's being told to stand there and get in the way of the keeper by the Manager? If the tactic was unsuccessful, surely the Manager would tell him to stop doing it?

Presumably Allardyce, Lee, Megson, Kinnear, and Shearer have all told Nolan to stop screaming at the referee, and that hasn't worked either.

[seanworth]

Surely on corners, which is something generally Manager plan out, he's being told to stand there and get in the way of the keeper by the Manager? If the tactic was unsuccessful, surely the Manager would tell him to stop doing it?

Presumably Allardyce, Lee, Megson, Kinnear, and Shearer have all told Nolan to stop screaming at the referee, and that hasn't worked either.

And one of them at least must have told him to shed a few pounds........

[Worthy4England]

Surely on corners, which is something generally Manager plan out, he's being told to stand there and get in the way of the keeper by the Manager? If the tactic was unsuccessful, surely the Manager would tell him to stop doing it?

Presumably Allardyce, Lee, Megson, Kinnear, and Shearer have all told Nolan to stop screaming at the referee, and that hasn't worked either.

Presumably, if either screaming at referees or standing near the keeper at corners was that big an issue for any of Allardyce, Lee, Megson, Kinnear or Shearer (and I suspect Kinnear would probably rate it highly anyhow), they'd have dropped him, which to the best of my knowledge, all except Shearer (who currently has a track record shorter and worse than Sammy Lee) have failed to do.

Therefore presumably, they don't see either of these things as a big enough problem.

[Verbal]

Cheer up, fella

[Bruce Rioja]

Mate, giggs doesn't have the legs any more.

Absolute rubbish, my friend. To say that Giggs doesn't have the legs that he once had is a fair point, but name me the finest right-back in the English Premier League, and I'll still put money on Giggs to leave that very right-back's blood spiralling as he turns him inside out. Ryan Giggs is a true legend of the English game, whether people like Man U or not.

[Lord Kangana]

Erm, Brucie baby, didn't you spot the joke. Or is this a further one thats flown way over?

[Bruce Rioja]

Erm, Brucie baby, didn't you spot the joke. Or is this a further one thats flown way over?

Ah, just read it front forwards. A further one that's flown way over? Go on?

[Lord Kangana]

My head

[Juewanderer]

Good article in todays Guardian entitled" Newcastle's tale of calamity".

It's well worth a read.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sIX ... t=football

[Verbal]

Good article in todays Guardian entitled" Newcastle's tale of calamity".

It's well worth a read.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gmg/op/sIX ... t=football

That link sent me to someplace with the article but with crappy formatting >.<

Same article from his blog

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/20 ... aul-weaver

[fatshaft]

I got to say, I can't see the continued attraction behind pointing out how good, bad or indifferent a Newcastle player is. He's moved on, I suspect so should we.

It's the other football section worthy, this is other football

[bobo the clown]

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/3 ... ining.html

ANDY CARROLL CROCKED
NEWCASTLE hitman Andy Carroll has fractured an ankle in training.

He was clattered in a tackle by team-mate Kevin Nolan and the injury will cost him an England Under-21 call-up this summer.

The setback could see him struggle to make the start of next season. Carroll has been an important player for boss Alan Shearer since he took over seven games ago, scoring the first goal of his reign at Stoke and being used as a key sub.

[Soldier_Of_The_White_Army]

Do we really need four threads about the same thing?