BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Mon May 30, 2022 11:42 am
I still disagree with Prus interpretation of the rules. The paragraph about when an opponent plays the ball is separate to the one about a teammate playing it.
I think the rules are clear. If an opposition player plays the ball ‘non deliberately’ and you receive it you are offside regardless of any touch or not from your player.
That’s how walton interprets it. It’s obviously the rule in my view. Because simply if you aren’t offside from a deliberate act from the opponents…that act is not relevant to your teams involvement then the counter is you are offside if they don’t mean to do it.
I’m not saying the rules are in right. But the separation of the paragraphs to me is pretty clear. Valverde touching the ball doesn’t seem relevant to that rule.
Jesus fecking wept. It's English comprehension. You're obviously, obviously wrong.
Otherwise every single through ball that nicked off a defender on the way through would be offside and we'd spend hours trying to work out if they'd meant to play the ball.
So De Bruyne plays a through ball to Sterling who is on side at the time, but on its way through it nicks off Van Dijk's shin (at which point Sterling is in an offside position). He'd then be offside. Which he wouldn't be. Obviously.
The first para is vital, the sine qua non.
1)
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
In order to be offside (as in penalised for it) you have to:
- be in an offside position.
- at the moment the ball is played or touched by a team-mate.
- then you have to become involved in active play by doing one of:
2a) interfering with play
2b) interfering with an opponent
2c) gaining an advantage.
You gain an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has:
rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent or been deliberately saved by any opponent.
So if you're offside when someone has a shot, plays a pass, takes a shot and it comes back off the post (still offside) takes a deflection (still offside) is saved (still offside).
BUT
3) a player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is
not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent
Note the bit in bold. It's about whether you're considered to have gained an advantage. A reference back to 2c), and for 2c) to be relevant, 1) needs to have been met, the ball has to be touched or played by an opponent.
You're offside if the ball only *deflects" off the opponent. The deliberately played the ball thing is making clear that that doesn't count as deflected off an opponent. It's a way of saying if the defending team have control of the ball, you stop being offside (but to stop being offside , you have to be offside to begin with, a teammate has to have touched the ball).
So for that "goal" we need
- Benzema was in an offside position. He was.
- team-mate to have touched or played it. Valverde has to have touched the ball. They must have been satisfied that he did. If he didn't, it can't be offside.
-Benzema to have gained an advantage.
He gained an advantage because he played the ball after it detected off an opponent (Fabinho and Konate), it doesn't matter if it's more than one, in the same way it doesn't matter if it deflects off the crossbar AND a deliberate save by the goalkeeper.
But he wouldn't gain an advantage if Fabinho or Konate deliberately played the ball. They must have been satisfied that they didn't.
This is an example of what that para is aimed at:
https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/s ... h-sees-red
Rodri isn't offside under that para because Mings deliberately plays the ball by chesting it down (like I suspect Worthy, I think he very much should be).