Anyone watching the Hillsborough Panorama doc tonight?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Does it hinder it?

Yes - by definition, the time given oven to this sort of thing is not available to answer the questions the inquest is supposed to answer.

As you can see by the dutiful Twitter feed of Guardian journalist David Conn, this stuff is literally taking days to get through: https://twitter.com/david_conn" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[Athers]

Oddly enough I just unfollowed him. It is sad but only the very interested would want to read all this morbid stuff.

[bobo the clown]

Oddly enough I just unfollowed him. It is sad but only the very interested would want to read all this morbid stuff.

It is all very sad ... especially in that, for a range of reasons, they've not been able to let go for what is now over 25 years.

But, however sad they are and however emotionally gut wrenching the individual stories, I cannot for the life of me see what it's got to do with an inquest into the nature of or the reasons for the deaths.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Is some background about the deceased (but not circumstances of death) part of standard procedure in all inquests?

[Athers]

We've had two inquests in our family where there were statements about who the deceased was and what their character was like, but these were considered highly important to both cases because suicide was considered a possible explanation. I assume it's regular though.

[Bruce Rioja]

How many people are there there? Only, they've put up yellow signs on the M6 and the M62 to guide people in (The Birchwood junction being oh so difficult to find otherwise, of course).

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

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Not sure why this story is breaking now, but how hard do they try to avoid making it clear that this started in 2009 under the last government?

[bobo the clown]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liv ... nt-7029881

Not sure why this story is breaking now, but how hard do they try to avoid making it clear that this started in 2009 under the last government?

Drip feed and keep the attention (not that they need it) is a well known PR tactic.

I admit to presuming this was a "this week" story.

Think yourself lucky you aren't in the North West. Local BBC News is almost all that or anti-fracking proir to the daily silly story.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I can imagine. I only saw that because of a Facebook 'share'.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

I see they want another inquiry.

[clapton is god]

I see they want another inquiry.

They've got one! Headed by Andy Burnham.

[Bruce Rioja]

On another occasion, the description of a Bill Shankly statue on the Anfield Wikipedia page was revised to change the well-known quote “He made the people happy” to “He made a wonderful lemon drizzle cake.”

[bobo the clown]

I see they want another inquiry.

They've got one! Headed by Andy Burnham.

Who SHOULD find out its being going on for years and very difficult to find out who's been at it.

Good they've selected someone independent though.

[bwfcdan94]

I actually met a Liverpool fan yesterday who actually said "it was a long time ago, I think we should let it pass" he was pissed mind.

[H. Pedersen]

This is now on Netflix so I got a chance to watch it. Watched it with the lady friend, who likes football but isn't very familiar with football history. I kept having to pause it to explain all of the context that was left out (i.e. they mentioned fences were added to the terraces in 1985, but declined to mention a certain event in 1985 that reinforced the view of supporters as animals who needed to be penned in). Not sure if they just expected their audience to be familiar with it, or if it was intended to be a straight propaganda piece.

[BWFC_Insane]

This is now on Netflix so I got a chance to watch it. Watched it with the lady friend, who likes football but isn't very familiar with football history. I kept having to pause it to explain all of the context that was left out (i.e. they mentioned fences were added to the terraces in 1985, but declined to mention a certain event in 1985 that reinforced the view of supporters as animals who needed to be penned in). Not sure if they just expected their audience to be familiar with it, or if it was intended to be a straight propaganda piece.

Weren't pens at Sheffield Wednesday there before 1985? Thought they were myself.

[H. Pedersen]

They added lateral fencing within the pens in 1985 according to the review panel. I haven't been able to figure out if it was before or after Heysel.

[BWFC_Insane]

They added lateral fencing within the pens in 1985 according to the review panel. I haven't been able to figure out if it was before or after Heysel.

According to wiki they added the fencing after promotion to the top flight in 84 in anticipation of higher crowds for top flight football. Fencing was de rigour at that point. I think trying to link fencing installed by Sheffield Wednesday to Heysel is pretty pathetic to be honest.

[Lord Kangana]

I thought fencing was a very late 70's thing. The lateral fencing, I believe, was later addition to stop mass riots of the time (think Millwall at Luton et al) from happening. In hindsight, a bit of a silly thing, but that's more a reflection on hindsight.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

This is now on Netflix so I got a chance to watch it. Watched it with the lady friend, who likes football but isn't very familiar with football history. I kept having to pause it to explain all of the context that was left out (i.e. they mentioned fences were added to the terraces in 1985, but declined to mention a certain event in 1985 that reinforced the view of supporters as animals who needed to be penned in). Not sure if they just expected their audience to be familiar with it, or if it was intended to be a straight propaganda piece.

I think you have become fixated on something of a red herring. A situation had arisen across English football over a number of years - totally pointless to think about whether the fences were pre or post Heysel.

I can see why a programme about Hillsborough wouldn't rake over another incident involving a crumbling stadium not even in England.