Anyone watching the Hillsborough Panorama doc tonight?

[Prufrock]

An omission of a violent nature is not that difficult a concept surely.
Here's some I've made up:
Bloke stands by unraised barrier knowing a passenger train is hurtling towards it - he can lift the barrier by pressing a button but deliberately does not.
Man sees somebody accidently light a fuse from a dropped dogend, but man does not stomp on fuse and put it out, instead he watches it burn down and blow a schoolyard full of children up (it's always best to play the children card at some stage).
Plane full of explosives is heading towards the White House but the bloke on radar duty sees it but doesn't report it (because he voted Republican not Democrat).

All involve an omission, and all involve violence, but I'm not sure any involve an omission of a violent nature.

I suppose that must be what they mean, just think it's poorly drafted. The Annex also says that for it to count there must be intent or recklessness, so I don't think this could count.

[Prufrock]

Corporate Manslaughter?

For an omission of violence, or would it apply here?

If the latter, Corporate Manslaughter Act wouldn't apply (doesn't apply retrospectively to 2007). Before that would need to be gross negligence manslaughter, and almost impossible to get against a company or organisation. Is also criminal so wouldn't be an award of compensation.

[boltonboris]

I've not read on it at all.. But do we know for certain that the families want financial compensation? Or is this a (probably fair) assumption, based on them being scouse?

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I've not read on it at all.. But do we know for certain that the families want financial compensation? Or is this a (probably fair) assumption, based on them being scouse?

Perhaps I am naive, but I actually don't think that's a major factor at all.

[Prufrock]

Yeah sorry I thought you (Boris) were asking about Corporate manslaughter following in line from Athers original question about compensation.

I don't think compensation is the main factor, if it is a factor at all, for the families.

[bwfcdan94]

All the games will kick of 7 minutes later than originally timed as a marking of the Hillsborough disaster http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/26970496

[bobo the clown]

Yeah sorry I thought you (Boris) were asking about Corporate manslaughter following in line from Athers original question about compensation.

I don't think compensation is the main factor, if it is a factor at all, for the families.

Haaa, ha, ha, ha. Haaaa. Ha, Ha, Ha.

You crack me up Pru, really you do.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Yeah sorry I thought you (Boris) were asking about Corporate manslaughter following in line from Athers original question about compensation.

I don't think compensation is the main factor, if it is a factor at all, for the families.

Haaa, ha, ha, ha. Haaaa. Ha, Ha, Ha.

You crack me up Pru, really you do.

I don't think compensation is a major factor these days.

[bobo the clown]

Yeah sorry I thought you (Boris) were asking about Corporate manslaughter following in line from Athers original question about compensation.

I don't think compensation is the main factor, if it is a factor at all, for the families.

Haaa, ha, ha, ha. Haaaa. Ha, Ha, Ha.

You crack me up Pru, really you do.

I don't think compensation is a major factor these days.

I'll remind you of that once the blame has been firmly allocated to the FA, the Police & Hillsborough.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Yeah sorry I thought you (Boris) were asking about Corporate manslaughter following in line from Athers original question about compensation.

I don't think compensation is the main factor, if it is a factor at all, for the families.

Haaa, ha, ha, ha. Haaaa. Ha, Ha, Ha.

You crack me up Pru, really you do.

I don't think compensation is a major factor these days.

I'll remind you of that once the blame has been firmly allocated to the FA, the Police & Hillsborough.

I've always said it - in a formal sense that's been true since the first Taylor report.

[boltonboris]

I do think it's something that will be asked about later on, but I'm not sure it's their motivation

[bobo the clown]

I do think it's something that will be asked about later on, but I'm not sure it's their motivation

Fair comment ... it's not the motivation, but it'll arise after the dust begins to settle.

A major motivation, when taken individually, is to ensure they dead from the day are not in any way 'blamed' for their passing. That THEY didn't nothing wrong. I've never had any doubts, or issue about that.

The second motivator is to blame the authorities. Mainly because anything else would mean blaming ... at least in part ... the on-rush of fans who came in behind them. Liverpool fans that is. That's a bit close to home for all that's been said locally for 25 years.

The FA, Police & Hillsborough may have failed to prevent that ... and the terrible consequences. But, ultimately, it was the late influx which led to the awful crush of calm, sober, early arriving and innocent people who were already in and became the victims.

The quite separate issue of the Police behaviours following that are for another review.

[lovethesmellofnapalm]

Quite seperate?
How?
They fecked up and then they covered up. Clear causal link between the two I, d say

[bobo the clown]

Quite seperate?
How?
They fecked up and then they covered up. Clear causal link between the two I, d say

The inquests on the deaths are nothing to do with any police activity thereafter.

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

Quite seperate?
How?
They fecked up and then they covered up. Clear causal link between the two I, d say

Given that the police were fairly comprehensively blamed by Taylor, you'd have to say they also fecked up the cover-up.

[H. Pedersen]

It was the stadium at Heysel.

The police at Hillsborough.

The turnstiles in Athens.

The courts in Bulgaria.

When are they going to look at the one constant here and say "maybe it's us?"

[Harry Genshaw]

It was the stadium at Heysel.

The police at Hillsborough.

The turnstiles in Athens.

The courts in Bulgaria.

When are they going to look at the one constant here and say "maybe it's us?"

I get that, for whatever reason, some folk hate Scousers.

I dont get why that hatred blinds them to things like evidence for example, when it comes to Hillsborough. Even the much criticized Taylor report exonerated the supporters.
Could have been any of us that day

[Prufrock]

Yep. I can't stand 'em; worse than bloody Mancs with their chippy 'I'm funny me and if you don't think so you're a cnut' routine.

This though, could have been any of us.

[BWFC_Insane]

It was the stadium at Heysel.

The police at Hillsborough.

The turnstiles in Athens.

The courts in Bulgaria.

When are they going to look at the one constant here and say "maybe it's us?"

Because it has been shown that the Hillsborough tragedy occurred through no fault of the Liverpool fans whatsoever.

I don't know why it is difficult to accept the very clear evidence on that?

[bobo the clown]

It was the stadium at Heysel.

The police at Hillsborough.

The turnstiles in Athens.

The courts in Bulgaria.

When are they going to look at the one constant here and say "maybe it's us?"

Because it has been shown that the Hillsborough tragedy occurred through no fault of the Liverpool fans whatsoever.

I don't know why it is difficult to accept the very clear evidence on that?

.... the ones killed and injured, correct. THEY were utterly innocent.