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Re: Your England XI

Post by TANGODANCER » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:29 pm

Heads or tails right now. Stones and Maguire defensively good and useful on set pieces.. Hope they don't get too far forward though with the speed of some forwards. Would like to have seen Walker in there and the little peroxide kid, with Mount missing it's very much a case of trusting Gareth Southgate.

Come on Harry, show em what it's about.. ae:)
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Re: Your England XI

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:43 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:26 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:07 pm
Worthy4England wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:52 pm
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I'm not that worried about it against a better side weirdly. I just think it's so negative when you have to break a side down.

And I think Henderson will get 45 tonight and possibly start in the last 16.
TBF, that midfield will look better with Henderson in it. At least he knows which way forwards is.
Yes. I hope Phillips would become the holding player and then add someone, anyone more dynamic alongside him. That would be a huge improvement. Having said that I can’t honestly believe Henderson is really fit for a knockout game against Germany or anyone good if he’s not starting tonight. You’d see tonight as chance to test fitness.
We also need the FBs getting forwards too, which is difficult when your holding MF can't pass forwards...
Quite.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by KeyserSoze » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:13 pm

Woo!
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Re: Your England XI

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:14 pm

Great run, Saka. Nice cross Grealish, top nod in from Raheem.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by KeyserSoze » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:17 pm

Is Saka a free kick specialist? Pretty interesting he's taking those from that area.
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Re: Your England XI

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:18 pm

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Is Saka a free kick specialist? Pretty interesting he's taking those from that area.
Clearly not, on that showing :-)

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Re: Your England XI

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:19 pm

Noticeably more movement from England today. Saka helping I think. I still maintain that Rice is absolutely bobbins. No idea what other teams he’d get near but to me he doesn’t look like he understands how to play as a midfield player. Watch him when the centre halves have the ball. Like a kid who doesn’t know where to go.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:34 pm

^^ Saka's been most of it tbf.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:37 pm

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^^ Saka's been most of it tbf.
More defensively cautious teams benefit greatly with a wide man who can run with the ball. We’ve seen that a lot tbh. Wouldn’t say we are that convincing defensively. I still think our midfield is woeful compared to the top sides. Grealish playing well but it’s what is behind him that I think is the issue.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:41 pm

Good driving run from Rice there, to give him some credit. Grealish I think been a bit in and out, good cross for goal though.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:44 pm

42 minutes for Kane to finally slip his marker.
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Re: Your England XI

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:50 pm

Most of our play in that first 45 broke down when it hit Sterling.

Surprised Saka started ahead of Sancho, but if Sterling continues like that Sancho needs to come in for him with a good half hour for him to show what he can do. He was ending up in deep midfield half the time and he doesn't have the all-round ability to do that job.

Generally better. Still too slow, though.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by KeyserSoze » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:51 pm

It's better but it isn't mouth-watering is it. At least Kane is more involved both as an outlet and a threat, maybe should have done better with his chance but its good he is getting that service (from maguire! He tried the same thing just before it went through). Saka playing with the direct and dazzling innocence of youth, direct running and fast pace that Southgate will surely knock out of him in the second half. Grealish as well, though a few silly fouls.

It's OK and that's an improvement but I'm not thrilled. Both teams seem to be bypassing central midfield.
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Re: Your England XI

Post by GhostoftheBok » Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:54 pm

Yup. When we kept Sterling ahead of the others and finding space, with Saka being direct, that was when we looked most dangerous.

We need to find a way to stop Sterling dropping off and keep Saka getting at people.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:00 pm

Stirling has scored one and was unlucky not to have two. We need someone putting the ball in the bag.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:01 pm

GhostoftheBok wrote:
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Most of our play in that first 45 broke down when it hit Sterling.

Surprised Saka started ahead of Sancho, but if Sterling continues like that Sancho needs to come in for him with a good half hour for him to show what he can do. He was ending up in deep midfield half the time and he doesn't have the all-round ability to do that job.

Generally better. Still too slow, though.
That’s Sterling. But his movement in the opponents half is next level isn’t it? I think Saka running at them balances us better. I’d like to get Foden in as I think he’d play well with Saka and Grealish.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:05 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:01 pm
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:50 pm
Most of our play in that first 45 broke down when it hit Sterling.

Surprised Saka started ahead of Sancho, but if Sterling continues like that Sancho needs to come in for him with a good half hour for him to show what he can do. He was ending up in deep midfield half the time and he doesn't have the all-round ability to do that job.

Generally better. Still too slow, though.
That’s Sterling. But his movement in the opponents half is next level isn’t it? I think Saka running at them balances us better. I’d like to get Foden in as I think he’d play well with Saka and Grealish.
Looks like he rested Foden because of yellow card. Do they get wiped at end of group?

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Re: Your England XI

Post by KeyserSoze » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:07 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:05 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:01 pm
GhostoftheBok wrote:
Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:50 pm
Most of our play in that first 45 broke down when it hit Sterling.

Surprised Saka started ahead of Sancho, but if Sterling continues like that Sancho needs to come in for him with a good half hour for him to show what he can do. He was ending up in deep midfield half the time and he doesn't have the all-round ability to do that job.

Generally better. Still too slow, though.
That’s Sterling. But his movement in the opponents half is next level isn’t it? I think Saka running at them balances us better. I’d like to get Foden in as I think he’d play well with Saka and Grealish.
Looks like he rested Foden because of yellow card. Do they get wiped at end of group?
A wee Google suggests they don't reset until after the quarters.
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Re: Your England XI

Post by Worthy4England » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:09 pm

^^ Ta.

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Re: Your England XI

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Jun 22, 2021 9:12 pm

Luke Shaw is poor for me. Shame Chilwell is unavailable.

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