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Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:16 pm
by officer_dibble
Kane has to go for me, turned into the classic England talisman carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders. Possibly injured as well? Either way been utter dogshit.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:59 pm
by BWFC_Insane
officer_dibble wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:16 pm
Kane has to go for me, turned into the classic England talisman carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders. Possibly injured as well? Either way been utter dogshit.
Something hasn’t been right with him perhaps his transfer is more of interest to him?
I don’t think he’s at the level of past strikers like Shearer or Lineker but I’m not sure he’s really had a lot of chance in how we play with no midfield. He looks lacking in sharpness and fitness though and doesn’t contribute enough for me when not scoring. I’d like him to more defenders round more.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:13 pm
by Worthy4England
He's already comfortably past Shearer's returns, which give he's playing in a team that can't touch the 96 team, must be some going.
Still has a way to go to catch Lineker...
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:40 pm
by BWFC_Insane
Worthy4England wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:13 pm
He's already comfortably past Shearer's returns, which give he's playing in a team that can't touch the 96 team, must be some going.
Still has a way to go to catch Lineker...
In European championship games Shearer has 7 goals in 9 games. Kane has 0 in 6.
Shearer’s goal record in competitive fixtures is marginally better than Kanes and I think considering that covers the massive failed Graham Taylor period and then Hoddle and Keegan you can say that’s pretty impressive - he didn’t exactly get many chances in competitions beyond 96.
But in terms of leading the line Shearer was miles ahead. Not even Shearers biggest fan I can’t stand him but definitely as a comparison in their peak Id have wor Alan every time.
Not that Kane is really the issue - he would do better if we had a midfield. Interesting to hear Neville and Souness argue about the England team now with Neville suggesting the midfield is ok if we play like Liverpool and use the full backs as our attacking outlet but Souness arguing you cannot play how we are in midfield. I think Gary would have a point if we set up to get bodies in the box for the full backs to pick out. But I don’t see us overloading the box to do that and we don’t have a Salah.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:53 pm
by Harry Genshaw
I agree with Neville there. Last night, James and Shaw, both good defensively looked absolutely terrified of either playing a forward pass or going forward themselves. It was reminiscent of England under Eriksson - "Ooh look at us keeping possession like the continentals" going sideways and backwards, really slowly, before losing it as soon as some maverick attempted a forward run.
I'm not Walkers biggest fan but against weak opposition like Scotland we'd be better taking a punt on a full back who likes to get forward occasionally.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:12 pm
by GhostoftheBok
Harry Genshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:53 pm
I agree with Neville there. Last night, James and Shaw, both good defensively looked absolutely terrified of either playing a forward pass or going forward themselves. It was reminiscent of England under Eriksson - "Ooh look at us keeping possession like the continentals" going sideways and backwards, really slowly, before losing it as soon as some maverick attempted a forward run.
Both fullbacks spent most of the match making damn sure they were in the shadow of a Scottish player so nobody could pass to them. Shaw was especially guilty. A couple of times you saw him realise he could be passed to and intentionally skirt behind a Scot to avoid the ball.
The England team is not well drilled to play passing football, but some of the England players are cowardly.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:42 pm
by Harry Genshaw
GhostoftheBok wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:12 pm
Harry Genshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:53 pm
I agree with Neville there. Last night, James and Shaw, both good defensively looked absolutely terrified of either playing a forward pass or going forward themselves. It was reminiscent of England under Eriksson - "Ooh look at us keeping possession like the continentals" going sideways and backwards, really slowly, before losing it as soon as some maverick attempted a forward run.
Both fullbacks spent most of the match making damn sure they were in the shadow of a Scottish player so nobody could pass to them. Shaw was especially guilty. A couple of times you saw him realise he could be passed to and intentionally skirt behind a Scot to avoid the ball.
The England team is not well drilled to play passing football,
but some of the England players are cowardly.
I resisted the urge to use that term myself but it certainly looked that way last night where one or two were concerned.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:49 pm
by BWFC_Insane
GhostoftheBok wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:12 pm
Harry Genshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:53 pm
I agree with Neville there. Last night, James and Shaw, both good defensively looked absolutely terrified of either playing a forward pass or going forward themselves. It was reminiscent of England under Eriksson - "Ooh look at us keeping possession like the continentals" going sideways and backwards, really slowly, before losing it as soon as some maverick attempted a forward run.
Both fullbacks spent most of the match making damn sure they were in the shadow of a Scottish player so nobody could pass to them. Shaw was especially guilty. A couple of times you saw him realise he could be passed to and intentionally skirt behind a Scot to avoid the ball.
The England team is not well drilled to play passing football, but some of the England players are cowardly.
Rice I would say chief coward. Hid constantly. James dissspointed me as he didn’t make the runs I expected.
I agree on the coaching and setup, Foden left out on the wing when he’s a drift inside and play with others type and nobody is there to play with. It’s like we are trying to do a Dougie Freedman of 8 behind the ball and just leave 3 up top to win it. It can work but not with Kane, Foden and Sterling.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:54 pm
by GhostoftheBok
Harry Genshaw wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 8:42 pm
I resisted the urge to use that term myself but it certainly looked that way last night where one or two were concerned.
I usually avoid passing judgement on players' characters, but sometimes you have to accept it is part of the issue.
The major issue is Southgate, but some of the players need to sort it out. When you look at the Italians, everyone wants the ball. If a German player hides during a game his team mates will sort him out very, very quickly and if that doesn't work he won't play again.
One thing about Henderson is that he will demand the ball.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:26 pm
by Prufrock
Aye, I think you can tell there's not much major experience. I think coward is strong for the players, but a few definitely hid. It's tough. It's a massive game, hyped beyond belief, and there weren't many players with experience of those games with England last night. Pickford, Stones, Sterling and Kane?
You'd hope they'll be better for it.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:38 am
by officer_dibble
I’d be dropping anyone who was hiding. Plus Kane.
So that’s walker and trippier back in plus Henderson or even Bellingham. Rshford for Kane (he’s either knackered or injured).
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:47 am
by GhostoftheBok
officer_dibble wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:38 am
I’d be dropping anyone who was hiding. Plus Kane.
So that’s walker and trippier back in plus Henderson or even Bellingham. Rshford for Kane (he’s either knackered or injured).
Southgate will rest a lot of players, you'd think. 3 games in a row after last season is too much. I don't fancy Rashford for Kane against another low block, but I imagine Kane will make way for a fresh player.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:48 am
by GhostoftheBok
Prufrock wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 10:26 pm
I think coward is strong for the players
I accept that as a criticism, but I do think that of Shaw. He loves going forward, but he regularly hides even for Utd when they are under pressure. A different player in an attacking side on the front foot. Not a player I trust in a dogfight or playing possession football.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:11 pm
by TANGODANCER
Apple-cart upset 1, attack it at will:
I'm a bit gobsmacked at the amount of flak being bombed on Harry Kane. Get a few crosses into opponents boxes that are above knee-high and accurate enough to need having a big striker at all (the difference between your Robert Lewandowski's and Harry Kane ) instead of using Kane as a workhorse from far too deep? Dare I add a little support up front? (Was he offside even once last night? ) We have no Xavis or Iniestas of yesteryear and our policy of trying to emulate them by walking the ball in won't work at all, we don't have the skills. Sterling too, who can be magical at times, seems reluctant to send a few crosses in to give Kane a chance at being on the end of them. As for the powder-puff right flank, well, leaving Walker out was never more obvious as a managerial error than against the Scots.
As being proven in other areas of the groups, reputations mean zilch against any sort of a goal, and the best of teams can lose out from their inability to score. After two games, only Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands have six points, so we aren't obviously bad with four if we win our last game. That said, we need to do that, and blaming Harry Kane isn't even near the answer. Next round (if we manage to get there) will be even more critical. Fitness, energy and a desire to win is all we'll have. We need to add skill and scoring to avoid an early flight home.. Have at it!.....
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:21 pm
by Harry Genshaw
Kane certainly needs better service but there's definitely something not quite right there. In the 1st half v Scotland he touched the ball 7 times and gave it away 6. For a player of his undoubted ability, who's being touted around Europe as a £200m player it was nowhere near good enough.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:58 pm
by BWFC_Insane
TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:11 pm
Apple-cart upset 1, attack it at will:
I'm a bit gobsmacked at the amount of flak being bombed on Harry Kane. Get a few crosses into opponents boxes that are above knee-high and accurate enough to need having a big striker at all (the difference between your Robert Lewandowski's and Harry Kane ) instead of using Kane as a workhorse from far too deep? Dare I add a little support up front? (Was he offside even once last night? ) We have no Xavis or Iniestas of yesteryear and our policy of trying to emulate them by walking the ball in won't work at all, we don't have the skills. Sterling too, who can be magical at times, seems reluctant to send a few crosses in to give Kane a chance at being on the end of them. As for the powder-puff right flank, well, leaving Walker out was never more obvious as a managerial error than against the Scots.
As being proven in other areas of the groups, reputations mean zilch against any sort of a goal, and the best of teams can lose out from their inability to score. After two games, only Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands have six points, so we aren't obviously bad with four if we win our last game. That said, we need to do that, and blaming Harry Kane isn't even near the answer. Next round (if we manage to get there) will be even more critical. Fitness, energy and a desire to win is all we'll have. We need to add skill and scoring to avoid an early flight home.. Have at it!.....
Sterling isn’t in to cross the ball. He’s not capable of doing that really. He’s there for pace.
Kane hasn’t been helped but he’s also looked slow and not his best. The problem is midfield and their inability to even get us up the pitch quickly into good positions for likes of Foden to exploit.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:36 pm
by TANGODANCER
BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:58 pm
TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:11 pm
Apple-cart upset 1, attack it at will:
I'm a bit gobsmacked at the amount of flak being bombed on Harry Kane. Get a few crosses into opponents boxes that are above knee-high and accurate enough to need having a big striker at all (the difference between your Robert Lewandowski's and Harry Kane ) instead of using Kane as a workhorse from far too deep? Dare I add a little support up front? (Was he offside even once last night? ) We have no Xavis or Iniestas of yesteryear and our policy of trying to emulate them by walking the ball in won't work at all, we don't have the skills. Sterling too, who can be magical at times, seems reluctant to send a few crosses in to give Kane a chance at being on the end of them. As for the powder-puff right flank, well, leaving Walker out was never more obvious as a managerial error than against the Scots.
As being proven in other areas of the groups, reputations mean zilch against any sort of a goal, and the best of teams can lose out from their inability to score. After two games, only Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands have six points, so we aren't obviously bad with four if we win our last game. That said, we need to do that, and blaming Harry Kane isn't even near the answer. Next round (if we manage to get there) will be even more critical. Fitness, energy and a desire to win is all we'll have. We need to add skill and scoring to avoid an early flight home.. Have at it!.....
Sterling isn’t in to cross the ball. He’s not capable of doing that really. He’s there for pace.
Kane hasn’t been helped but he’s also looked slow and not his best. The problem is midfield and their inability to even get us up the pitch quickly into good positions for likes of Foden to exploit.
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Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:21 pm
by BWFC_Insane
TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 3:36 pm
BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 1:58 pm
TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 12:11 pm
Apple-cart upset 1, attack it at will:
I'm a bit gobsmacked at the amount of flak being bombed on Harry Kane. Get a few crosses into opponents boxes that are above knee-high and accurate enough to need having a big striker at all (the difference between your Robert Lewandowski's and Harry Kane ) instead of using Kane as a workhorse from far too deep? Dare I add a little support up front? (Was he offside even once last night? ) We have no Xavis or Iniestas of yesteryear and our policy of trying to emulate them by walking the ball in won't work at all, we don't have the skills. Sterling too, who can be magical at times, seems reluctant to send a few crosses in to give Kane a chance at being on the end of them. As for the powder-puff right flank, well, leaving Walker out was never more obvious as a managerial error than against the Scots.
As being proven in other areas of the groups, reputations mean zilch against any sort of a goal, and the best of teams can lose out from their inability to score. After two games, only Italy, Belgium and the Netherlands have six points, so we aren't obviously bad with four if we win our last game. That said, we need to do that, and blaming Harry Kane isn't even near the answer. Next round (if we manage to get there) will be even more critical. Fitness, energy and a desire to win is all we'll have. We need to add skill and scoring to avoid an early flight home.. Have at it!.....
Sterling isn’t in to cross the ball. He’s not capable of doing that really. He’s there for pace.
Kane hasn’t been helped but he’s also looked slow and not his best. The problem is midfield and their inability to even get us up the pitch quickly into good positions for likes of Foden to exploit.
?
How much have you watched Sterling? He’s not a crosser.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:55 pm
by TANGODANCER
BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:21 pm
How much have you watched Sterling? He’s not a crosser.
As much as you have, and he's a professional footballer, part of a team and on a massive wage. If he can't put balls into the box as part of his contributions,, then get somebody out there who can.
Re: Your England XI
Posted: Sun Jun 20, 2021 9:11 pm
by GhostoftheBok
Players are increasingly specialised. Not all wide players need to be excellent at crossing. Man City use Sterling to beat isolated defenders, run in behind and finish moves off in the box. He's not Stewart Downing.