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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by midlands exile » Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:32 pm

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BWFC_Insane wrote:It doesn't take much common sense to know that as a senior highly paid representative of an organisation, if you start openly criticising that organisation and explaining how to "circumvent" its rules and you get caught, you're for the sack.

Sam knew it, which is why he walked yesterday.

I'd be fascinated to know if those who think the FA could, conceivably have kept Sam, feel they should have kept Hoddle?

When you are a public figure you have to be squeaky clean. That is the world we live in. One may hate the media, I do, but again, we can't get rid of the press, they exist and they weren't going to let this go. Again, the FA can only live in this world, not an imaginary one that we'd all like to. They cannot make the headlines stop, the pressure stop, nor can they be allowed to be seen as endorsing the messages Sam was giving out.

Of course what the Telegraph did was absolutely shitty. And yes it may be thrown out in a legal sense, but an employer in any other circumstance would use it against their employee. People are sacked (and many agree on here) in public life, for far less than Sam Allardyce was. I said when he got the job he'd have to be squeaky clean, even an idiot knew that. Sam knew that. He fecked up.
Hoddle stated his religious beliefs, which most people may disagree with, but the last time I looked we have freedom of religious beliefs in this country. Do you think that Buddhists should be banned from public life due to their views on karma and reincarnation?

Lord Ashley, the veteran disabled rights campaigner, said the following re: Hoddle, which basically could be copied and pasted into any of today's news stories:
  • He was offended by the remarks but the manager was entitled to his opinions.
    An aggressive media, a weak Football Association and his own lack of judgment have finished the manager.
    A sad day for British tolerance and freedom of speech.
    The protests about the remarks amounted to a witch hunt .
Did you read the Matthew Syed article? Or did you just keep repeating the same flawed argument as before?
I read it, but it didn't offer anything, beyond "he only did what lots of others do". Yes, lots of others who aren't England manager.

There are many, many more articles explaining why he had to go. Even from people who backed him for the job.

The FA couldn't be seen to "brush it under the carpet". When they sat with Sam and the full transcript was provided they decided there wasn't a choice. Sam in fact, seems to have come to that conclusion and walked, reportedly without payoff. Does that not tell you that, even Sam himself, knew it?
"Many articles" from the media mass that have had it in for Allardyce ever since Souness, Wenger and Benitez started the digs, thus providing them with the chance to put the boot in that they've always desired. And if you think quantity counts over quality, then you probably think McDonalds is fine dining.

I think Allardyce probably realised there's no reasoning with some people, e.g. the blazer brigade including new FA chairman Greg Clark (what is it with him getting jobs just before a change of chairman, who then wants their own man in the role?!), the rabid/judgmental press, morons in the game like Shearer gobbing off, and snowflakes such as yourself that seem to think a few unguarded words equate to a capital crime so "off with his head".

Word is the FA agreed to a 7-figure pay-off - which suggests there isn't a clear case of guilt as you intimated.

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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by Tombwfc » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:09 pm

Prufrock wrote:He hasn't told anyone how to "circumvent" the rules. The rules were brought in to ban 3rd party ownership because there were situations were players weren't actually owned by their clubs and also where players didn't control where they went (the slavery point). All Allardyce explains how to "get around" is the prevention on signing those players by signing them outright (the point of these rules) and by certain future clauses on the next transfer. Not against the rules, and not against the spirit of the rules. He's talking about how to get a fair advantage.
And of course, with the Carlos Tevez case, the issue was less about West Ham signing a player who's economic rights were owned by a third party, and more to do with them directly lying to the Premier League about it. Had they gone straight to the PL, they'd have received similar advice to what Allardyce told those Telegraph reporters.

I just don't know how anyone can look at what's gone on, and see how this sorry story has benefited anyone (unless you work for the Telegraph).

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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by Bruce Rioja » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:39 pm

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Can't see it at work Bozz. I'm just wondering why anyone would draw attention to someone drinking a pint of wine - as though it's out of the ordinary, or summat. ;)
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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by boltonboris » Wed Sep 28, 2016 3:44 pm

Haha
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Re: Allardyces dream job...

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Bruce Rioja wrote:Can't see it at work Bozz. I'm just wondering why anyone would draw attention to someone drinking a pint of wine - as though it's out of the ordinary, or summat. ;)
I was a bit confused by that too! :oops:

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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Sep 28, 2016 6:55 pm

Still finding all this hard to believe. Either Sam's been given an ultimatum for his silliness or he's been well and truly set up, witch hunted and made a victim of a situation that shouldn't even exist in sport. Why is he not kicking and screaming in his usual fashion and just tamely giving up his dream job? Doesn't ring right at all............
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Re: Allardyces dream job...

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TANGODANCER wrote:Still finding all this hard to believe. Either Sam's been given an ultimatum for his silliness or he's been well and truly set up, witch hunted and made a victim of a situation that shouldn't even exist in sport. Why is he not kicking and screaming in his usual fashion and just tamely giving up his dream job? Doesn't ring right at all............
Cos he knows there isn't a way out? Even if he believes he's done nothing wrong, public opinion is against him and he's embarrassed his employers publically.

Of course he's been set up, but he took the bait. He didn't have to. Greedy fish are more likely to take the bait I guess.

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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by Montreal Wanderer » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:51 pm

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TANGODANCER wrote:Still finding all this hard to believe. Either Sam's been given an ultimatum for his silliness or he's been well and truly set up, witch hunted and made a victim of a situation that shouldn't even exist in sport. Why is he not kicking and screaming in his usual fashion and just tamely giving up his dream job? Doesn't ring right at all............
Cos he knows there isn't a way out? Even if he believes he's done nothing wrong, public opinion is against him and he's embarrassed his employers publically.

Of course he's been set up, but he took the bait. He didn't have to. Greedy fish are more likely to take the bait I guess.
My employers paid a large sum to get me to retire (can't imagine why :wink: ). Part of the deal was that I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement and could not talk about the terms and the amount. Perhaps Sam got some similar package and is required to keep quiet. Presumably he had a contract and would have to be bought out.
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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:56 pm

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TANGODANCER wrote:Still finding all this hard to believe. Either Sam's been given an ultimatum for his silliness or he's been well and truly set up, witch hunted and made a victim of a situation that shouldn't even exist in sport. Why is he not kicking and screaming in his usual fashion and just tamely giving up his dream job? Doesn't ring right at all............
Cos he knows there isn't a way out? Even if he believes he's done nothing wrong, public opinion is against him and he's embarrassed his employers publically.

Of course he's been set up, but he took the bait. He didn't have to. Greedy fish are more likely to take the bait I guess.
My employers paid a large sum to get me to retire (can't imagine why :wink: ). Part of the deal was that I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement and could not talk about the terms and the amount. Perhaps Sam got some similar package and is required to keep quiet. Presumably he had a contract and would have to be bought out.
Some reports say he had a pay off others say he walked for nothing.

I mean if he was sacked for breach of contract, he'd not get a pay off. Don't think anyone thinks he had his full contract paid off, whatever happened.

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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by Montreal Wanderer » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:09 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
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BWFC_Insane wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:Still finding all this hard to believe. Either Sam's been given an ultimatum for his silliness or he's been well and truly set up, witch hunted and made a victim of a situation that shouldn't even exist in sport. Why is he not kicking and screaming in his usual fashion and just tamely giving up his dream job? Doesn't ring right at all............
Cos he knows there isn't a way out? Even if he believes he's done nothing wrong, public opinion is against him and he's embarrassed his employers publically.

Of course he's been set up, but he took the bait. He didn't have to. Greedy fish are more likely to take the bait I guess.
My employers paid a large sum to get me to retire (can't imagine why :wink: ). Part of the deal was that I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement and could not talk about the terms and the amount. Perhaps Sam got some similar package and is required to keep quiet. Presumably he had a contract and would have to be bought out.
Some reports say he had a pay off others say he walked for nothing.

I mean if he was sacked for breach of contract, he'd not get a pay off. Don't think anyone thinks he had his full contract paid off, whatever happened.
You don't buy out long-term contracts at 100% and I didn't suggest that. Was his offence of such severity as to justify an employer terminating the contract with no severance? I doubt if any court would find that and mutual agreement usually means some sort of quid pro quo to avoid testing matters in court. We don't know the terms of his contract, do we? So how can you assert he was in breach? Naturally he cannot confirm or deny any buyout if he signed a non-disclosure.
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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by Bruce Rioja » Wed Sep 28, 2016 8:14 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote: My employers paid a large sum to get me to retire (can't imagine why :wink: ). Part of the deal was that I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement and could not talk about the terms and the amount. Perhaps Sam got some similar package and is required to keep quiet. Presumably he had a contract and would have to be bought out.
He said that there's an NDA in place in the 'interview' he gave outside his house. Still, there's no stopping the BWFCI opinion-express when it's off at full tilt!
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Re: Allardyces dream job...

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Bruce Rioja wrote:
Montreal Wanderer wrote: My employers paid a large sum to get me to retire (can't imagine why :wink: ). Part of the deal was that I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement and could not talk about the terms and the amount. Perhaps Sam got some similar package and is required to keep quiet. Presumably he had a contract and would have to be bought out.
He said that there's an NDA in place in the 'interview' he gave outside his house. Still, there's no stopping the BWFCI opinion-express when it's off at full tilt!
I guess his ability to keep his trap shut regarding the amount of payoff will be commensurate with the size of said pay-off. He seems to struggle to keep his trap shut about owt else.

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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by BWFC_Insane » Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:44 pm

Worthy4England wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:
Montreal Wanderer wrote: My employers paid a large sum to get me to retire (can't imagine why :wink: ). Part of the deal was that I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement and could not talk about the terms and the amount. Perhaps Sam got some similar package and is required to keep quiet. Presumably he had a contract and would have to be bought out.
He said that there's an NDA in place in the 'interview' he gave outside his house. Still, there's no stopping the BWFCI opinion-express when it's off at full tilt!
I guess his ability to keep his trap shut regarding the amount of payoff will be commensurate with the size of said pay-off. He seems to struggle to keep his trap shut about owt else.
Least he's got the after dinner circuit!

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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by TANGODANCER » Wed Sep 28, 2016 11:53 pm

The Monty Python lot are already on the bright side of life. Somebody showed me a clip but I have no link. No hiding from the trolls....
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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu Sep 29, 2016 10:06 am

Nice to see Schteve McLaren making an even bigger cock of himself. Some people just don't know how to shut up.
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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by Gary the Enfield » Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:29 am

Midlands Exile wrote: Hoddle stated his religious beliefs, which most people may disagree with, but the last time I looked we have freedom of religious beliefs in this country.

Glenn Hoddle said ``You and I have been given two hands and two legs and half-decent brains,'' ``Some people have not been born like that for a reason. The karma is working from another time. I have nothing to hide about that. It is not only people with disabilities. What you sow, you have to reap.''

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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by Tombwfc » Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:58 pm

Montreal Wanderer wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
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BWFC_Insane wrote:
TANGODANCER wrote:Still finding all this hard to believe. Either Sam's been given an ultimatum for his silliness or he's been well and truly set up, witch hunted and made a victim of a situation that shouldn't even exist in sport. Why is he not kicking and screaming in his usual fashion and just tamely giving up his dream job? Doesn't ring right at all............
Cos he knows there isn't a way out? Even if he believes he's done nothing wrong, public opinion is against him and he's embarrassed his employers publically.

Of course he's been set up, but he took the bait. He didn't have to. Greedy fish are more likely to take the bait I guess.
My employers paid a large sum to get me to retire (can't imagine why :wink: ). Part of the deal was that I had to sign a non-disclosure agreement and could not talk about the terms and the amount. Perhaps Sam got some similar package and is required to keep quiet. Presumably he had a contract and would have to be bought out.
Some reports say he had a pay off others say he walked for nothing.

I mean if he was sacked for breach of contract, he'd not get a pay off. Don't think anyone thinks he had his full contract paid off, whatever happened.
You don't buy out long-term contracts at 100% and I didn't suggest that. Was his offence of such severity as to justify an employer terminating the contract with no severance? I doubt if any court would find that and mutual agreement usually means some sort of quid pro quo to avoid testing matters in court. We don't know the terms of his contract, do we? So how can you assert he was in breach? Naturally he cannot confirm or deny any buyout if he signed a non-disclosure.
Greg Clarke quote post-sacking in terms of whether Big Sam might face any further action...
“I don’t know whether he has broken any rules or not because the FA disciplinary department will investigate.”

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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:02 pm

And there are still people who will say the FA had a choice....

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Post by boltonboris » Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:08 pm

Would the RFU have to go through all this bollocks?
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Re: Allardyces dream job...

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Sep 29, 2016 3:20 pm

boltonboris wrote:Would the RFU have to go through all this bollocks?
Guess we'll have to wait and see until an England rugby manager does what Allardyce did and gets caught...

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