Re: European Finals.
Posted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:04 pm
Some goal that. Though first touch was off his face.
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Indeed. However, I'm sure I wasn't alone in hoping Italy's collective arse might fall out in those final five minutes and Austria might have got it to pens. Ah well.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:56 pmAustria did well. But there was no point where I ever seriously thought Italy would lose.
Offside is binary though. You either are or you aren’t. If you introduce some form of buffer or introduce some common sense application you will just revert to inconsistency again.TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:01 amA really entertaining match that, on the night, either team could have won. For me, the ridiculous offside rules are ruining football. A man can be offside, easily seen, not his shoe or kneecap. Rugby has offside, based on common sense; football has lost he plot. Austria could feel aggrieved at their dismissal despite Italy skills, because they never stopped trying right to the end, but they can go home with a lot of pride. Small consolation I know, but that's life.
I just hope that the media hype like "The Sun" band-waggon jumpers, doesn't distract our own lads attention away from their target.
Really? Not when they looked to have gone 1-0 up with about 25 to go?BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:56 pmAustria did well. But there was no point where I ever seriously thought Italy would lose. Not sure what that says but Italy v Belgium or Portugal could be fascinating.
I think the obsession with drawing lines is a collective madness from lawmakers who have forgotten the point of the offside rule.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:13 amOffside is binary though. You either are or you aren’t. If you introduce some form of buffer or introduce some common sense application you will just revert to inconsistency again.TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:01 amA really entertaining match that, on the night, either team could have won. For me, the ridiculous offside rules are ruining football. A man can be offside, easily seen, not his shoe or kneecap. Rugby has offside, based on common sense; football has lost he plot. Austria could feel aggrieved at their dismissal despite Italy skills, because they never stopped trying right to the end, but they can go home with a lot of pride. Small consolation I know, but that's life.
I just hope that the media hype like "The Sun" band-waggon jumpers, doesn't distract our own lads attention away from their target.
How would that make it any better? You either are or you aren’t offside. Adding an extra layer of ‘well that was obvious yet they didn’t overrule it’ isn’t the answer. I’m not a fan of VAR but in this tournament it’s been used relatively well. For me if you want offside to become non binary then it needs a change in the law. Nobody on a screen can necessarily agree without lines and the lines take the judgement call away. I repeat the laws of the game state you either are or you aren’t offside. I don’t see any argument that ball over the line has to be clear…it’s measured down to sub millimetre level. Why is offside different?Prufrock wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:48 pmI think the obsession with drawing lines is a collective madness from lawmakers who have forgotten the point of the offside rule.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:13 amOffside is binary though. You either are or you aren’t. If you introduce some form of buffer or introduce some common sense application you will just revert to inconsistency again.TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:01 amA really entertaining match that, on the night, either team could have won. For me, the ridiculous offside rules are ruining football. A man can be offside, easily seen, not his shoe or kneecap. Rugby has offside, based on common sense; football has lost he plot. Austria could feel aggrieved at their dismissal despite Italy skills, because they never stopped trying right to the end, but they can go home with a lot of pride. Small consolation I know, but that's life.
I just hope that the media hype like "The Sun" band-waggon jumpers, doesn't distract our own lads attention away from their target.
VAR should get three looks at it (all decisions, including offside) in real time and if aren't sure it's wrong from that you stay with the on field decision.
Yep, I was at the match last night and Italy didn’t look any great shakes. I think I’d be more confident of England beating them than I am us beating Germany.Prufrock wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:46 pmReally? Not when they looked to have gone 1-0 up with about 25 to go?BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sat Jun 26, 2021 10:56 pmAustria did well. But there was no point where I ever seriously thought Italy would lose. Not sure what that says but Italy v Belgium or Portugal could be fascinating.
I thought they looked as likely as Italy.
I'm not so sure there. That's the worst Italy have been in months and they still didn't concede in the 90.
Not sure I’d fancy them breaking us down either.GhostoftheBok wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:19 pmI'm not so sure there. That's the worst Italy have been in months and they still didn't concede in the 90.
Not sure I'd fancy a Southgate team breaking them down.
It would make it better because it wouldn't take five minutes to work out if someone's toenail was offside or not.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:10 pmHow would that make it any better? You either are or you aren’t offside. Adding an extra layer of ‘well that was obvious yet they didn’t overrule it’ isn’t the answer. I’m not a fan of VAR but in this tournament it’s been used relatively well. For me if you want offside to become non binary then it needs a change in the law. Nobody on a screen can necessarily agree without lines and the lines take the judgement call away. I repeat the laws of the game state you either are or you aren’t offside. I don’t see any argument that ball over the line has to be clear…it’s measured down to sub millimetre level. Why is offside different?Prufrock wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:48 pmI think the obsession with drawing lines is a collective madness from lawmakers who have forgotten the point of the offside rule.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:13 amOffside is binary though. You either are or you aren’t. If you introduce some form of buffer or introduce some common sense application you will just revert to inconsistency again.TANGODANCER wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:01 amA really entertaining match that, on the night, either team could have won. For me, the ridiculous offside rules are ruining football. A man can be offside, easily seen, not his shoe or kneecap. Rugby has offside, based on common sense; football has lost he plot. Austria could feel aggrieved at their dismissal despite Italy skills, because they never stopped trying right to the end, but they can go home with a lot of pride. Small consolation I know, but that's life.
I just hope that the media hype like "The Sun" band-waggon jumpers, doesn't distract our own lads attention away from their target.
VAR should get three looks at it (all decisions, including offside) in real time and if aren't sure it's wrong from that you stay with the on field decision.
I'm sticking with what I said in the group stages, they haven't played anyone. Austria played well yesterday but they're bang average. They beat 10 man Wales 1-0 (albeit with a lot of changes and already through), a bad Switzerland who gifted them at least one, and a truly dreadful Turkey.GhostoftheBok wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 2:15 pmIf Italy play like they did yesterday then they'll struggle to score against England. If they play like they did in the previous three games they will score. I don't fancy any of England's displays thus far being good enough to get through Italy in 90 minutes with anything like reliability.
Yup. They're in the the hardest half and we are a bit crap, so both of us will have a tough time getting to the final. If we can beat Germany we probably have a better chance than they do, purely because of the draw.