Re: European Finals.
Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:02 pm
Absolutely belting effort. Great first half tonight, outplayed in the 2nd but possibly shaded it in extra time. Magnificent effort all tournament. Proud of everyone of em
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Oh come on England have done well but Italy had their number tonight as soon as the final 20 minutes were over. We were murdered in midfield. Penalty shoot out was literally men against boys. And they still gave us a chance.jmjhb wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:00 pmHardly, they scored a scabby goal, and we lost by giving penalties to two guys who had just come off the bench and a 19-yo who shouldn't have been on the pitchBWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:59 pmWhat I said at the start of the tournament did come back to bite us in the end. The played like heroes but Rice and Phillips for all they did are just not a midfield that is versatile or good enough to play against Verrati etc and Italy exploited that.
jmjhb wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:00 pmHardly, they scored a scabby goal, and we lost by giving penalties to two guys who had just come off the bench and a 19-yo who shouldn't have been on the pitchBWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 10:59 pmWhat I said at the start of the tournament did come back to bite us in the end. The played like heroes but Rice and Phillips for all they did are just not a midfield that is versatile or good enough to play against Verrati etc and Italy exploited that.
Don't really care much about your opinion tbh.Gooner Girl wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:13 pmDon’t really care much about England tbh. Club over country every time, but penalty shoot outs are horrible and I felt a bit tearful at the end seeing our boy Saka so upset. He never takes pens for Arsenal and he’s 19 ffs! Why were Grealish and Sterling not stepping up?
Well, you care enough to comment on itCrazyHorse wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:17 pmDon't really care much about your opinion tbh.Gooner Girl wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:13 pmDon’t really care much about England tbh. Club over country every time, but penalty shoot outs are horrible and I felt a bit tearful at the end seeing our boy Saka so upset. He never takes pens for Arsenal and he’s 19 ffs! Why were Grealish and Sterling not stepping up?
See England won the cricket World Cup and we were the best side. But on the day we were lucky, lucky to take NZ to a super over. But we did and won. The frustration for me is whilst Italy were the better side we had a penalty shoot out where the missed two and we still lost. No problem with the individuals but as a football nation we still lack the ruthlessness that you really need. Many sides have won tournaments playing for pens from twenty minutes in. There is still something in our mentality to fix. Happens so often it can’t just be luck.
There has to be serious questions asked about that shoot out strategy. It was clearly planned, subs coming on with instructions in their socks. You hear people saying it's a lottery. Is it feck. Its a test of nerve. And not a place for kids who've never taken a competitive penalty.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:30 pmSee England won the cricket World Cup and we were the best side. But on the day we were lucky, lucky to take NZ to a super over. But we did and won. The frustration for me is whilst Italy were the better side we had a penalty shoot out where the missed two and we still lost. No problem with the individuals but as a football nation we still lack the ruthlessness that you really need. Many sides have won tournaments playing for pens from twenty minutes in. There is still something in our mentality to fix. Happens so often it can’t just be luck.
Grealish and Sterling totally bottled it. Let a 19yo kid step up and take the fall. Wankers!Gooner Girl wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:13 pmDon’t really care much about England tbh. Club over country every time, but penalty shoot outs are horrible and I felt a bit tearful at the end seeing our boy Saka so upset. He never takes pens for Arsenal and he’s 19 ffs! Why were Grealish and Sterling not stepping up?
BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:30 pmSee England won the cricket World Cup and we were the best side. But on the day we were lucky, lucky to take NZ to a super over. But we did and won. The frustration for me is whilst Italy were the better side we had a penalty shoot out where the missed two and we still lost. No problem with the individuals but as a football nation we still lack the ruthlessness that you really need. Many sides have won tournaments playing for pens from twenty minutes in. There is still something in our mentality to fix. Happens so often it can’t just be luck.
Yeah I mean you could have been saying it was genius bringing Rashford and Sancho on. I didn’t like it just felt wrong to me but could have been a stroke of genius. Saka was bizarre. But perhaps he put his hand up. Kid looked overawed all night. Sterling and Shaw for me were takers. But all easy in hindsight. I’ve had a theory on penalties for a long time that in training every player should have two pens. Top or bottom corner or up middle. Practice them then Pre game decide which it is and don’t change your mind. Shoot outs need to be simple. Power usually wins if on target.LeverEnd wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:39 pmThere has to be serious questions asked about that shoot out strategy. It was clearly planned, subs coming on with instructions in their socks. You hear people saying it's a lottery. Is it feck. Its a test of nerve. And not a place for kids who've never taken a competitive penalty.BWFC_Insane wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:30 pmSee England won the cricket World Cup and we were the best side. But on the day we were lucky, lucky to take NZ to a super over. But we did and won. The frustration for me is whilst Italy were the better side we had a penalty shoot out where the missed two and we still lost. No problem with the individuals but as a football nation we still lack the ruthlessness that you really need. Many sides have won tournaments playing for pens from twenty minutes in. There is still something in our mentality to fix. Happens so often it can’t just be luck.
Shaw would have been one of first choices for me. But you don’t know it wasn’t a dictat rather than a choice for anyone.Burnden Paddock wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:39 pmGrealish and Sterling totally bottled it. Let a 19yo kid step up and take the fall. Wankers!Gooner Girl wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:13 pmDon’t really care much about England tbh. Club over country every time, but penalty shoot outs are horrible and I felt a bit tearful at the end seeing our boy Saka so upset. He never takes pens for Arsenal and he’s 19 ffs! Why were Grealish and Sterling not stepping up?
GhostoftheBok wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:54 pmThis was Italy's tournament from start to finish.
Tonight was all the reasons I don't like Southgate as England manager, but we reached the final so it's hard to justify complaining.
Roll on the world cup. This is a young team and has plenty of time to improve.
Not sure it needs to improve much. What it needs is a Verratti. Or a modern day Gascoigne. Someone with real all round class in midfield. If we’d had such a player we’d have had a great chance rather than chasing shadows against Italy’s midfield for much of the match.GhostoftheBok wrote: ↑Sun Jul 11, 2021 11:54 pmThis was Italy's tournament from start to finish.
Tonight was all the reasons I don't like Southgate as England manager, but we reached the final so it's hard to justify complaining.
Roll on the world cup. This is a young team and has plenty of time to improve.