A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by TANGODANCER » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:02 pm

I've played the pen claim several times and I think the ref must have thought he was looking for a pen and the full length dive might support that...?
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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Oct 15, 2017 4:07 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:
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I've played the pen claim several times and I think the ref must have thought he was looking for a pen and the full length dive might support that...?
It looks to me very similar to the one that got Watford level yesterday: contact, maximised by striker. Watford got the pen, Wednesday didn’t. Oh well :D

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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:47 pm

I think it was a penalty, but we deserved something to go for us. Had they equalised then I'm not sure we'd have recovered at all this season.

I also think Morais should have been sent off, though the new rules clearly lend some ambiguity to that. But having let play go on, does double jeopardy still apply?

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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by Prufrock » Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:56 pm

What double jeopardy are you on about?

It's clear the reason he wasn't sent off is that he didn't deny a goalscoring opportunity.
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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:03 pm

Prufrock wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:56 pm
What double jeopardy are you on about?

It's clear the reason he wasn't sent off is that he didn't deny a goalscoring opportunity.
Previously the rules said if you denied a clear goalscoring opportunity in the box you were sent off and a penalty given, then they changed them to stop so called double jeopardy and removed the red card stipulation.

I agree about not denying a goalscoring opportunity but there is an interesting point here in general. The header was goalbound, and he stopped it going in. Yes they went on to score, but at what point does the denial come into play.

However, with double jeopardy would he even have been sent off if the ref had blown up and awarded a penalty?

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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by officer_dibble » Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:51 pm

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Sun Oct 15, 2017 2:04 pm
That Madine miss :shock:
Awful wasn’t it?
He gets that one - mainly cos we won - but he will be panned if he misses another like that! Absolute enigma.

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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by Prufrock » Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:23 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:03 pm
Prufrock wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 6:56 pm
What double jeopardy are you on about?

It's clear the reason he wasn't sent off is that he didn't deny a goalscoring opportunity.
Previously the rules said if you denied a clear goalscoring opportunity in the box you were sent off and a penalty given, then they changed them to stop so called double jeopardy and removed the red card stipulation.

I agree about not denying a goalscoring opportunity but there is an interesting point here in general. The header was goalbound, and he stopped it going in. Yes they went on to score, but at what point does the denial come into play.

However, with double jeopardy would he even have been sent off if the ref had blown up and awarded a penalty?
Yes. It doesn't apply if it's deliberate (and handball is also explicitly not included, I suppose given the weird twist of logic that that particular rule demands on the word "deliberate").
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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by bristol_Wanderer3 » Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:04 pm

This was played at the end of the game yesterday. Such was the rarity of that winning feeling thousands of us were still in our seats when it had finished!! And the players were still on the pitch applauding the supporters. There was a sense they were feeling the relief as much as we were.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzXt7YvK9Hw

And, well....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbsuAbTTsV8

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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Oct 16, 2017 9:16 am

bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:
Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:04 pm
This was played at the end of the game yesterday. Such was the rarity of that winning feeling thousands of us were still in our seats when it had finished!! And the players were still on the pitch applauding the supporters. There was a sense they were feeling the relief as much as we were.
Good. They should enjoy the moment, and want more of it. Turn the moment into momentum.

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Re: A wiser Wanderers to meet with the Owls - Bolton v Sheffield Wed 14/10/2017

Post by boltonboris » Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:49 pm

We won a comp to sit in those cinema seats next to the away dug-out. I want to change my season ticket to sit there every week. Gave Carlvahal hell in the second half. Great day.

Noise is 10 x louder at pitch level than in the stands, weirdly enough.

Madine..... It's sad when you'd back him to miss an open net, more than scoring it. Not having him, me.

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