Financiers, investors and white knights: What next for FV?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Thought we needed a new thread for financial chat, as we look upwards at the second tier and wonder how to afford it.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... an-graham/

Interesting? Or just a way to get them involved with a reason to succeed - several thousand reasons, indeed more than the manager and CEO?


More on Champo hellscape:

[GhostoftheBok]

Both parties get what they need.

Bolton wanted elite data work they couldn't afford. Ludo needed a strategic partner.

We get access to the best in the business for no cash outlay. Very difficult not to be chuffed there.

Lostock is the next issue. We need to figure out how to get champagne facilities on beer money. That's miles off my area, but looks difficult. Another partnership arrangement isn't going to cut it there, you fancy, as it's millions in outlay.

Data - Facilities - Staff

2 out of 3 thus far. If you can get all three you're going places fast.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Decent explainer here. Edwards well regarded in the industry. Graham less well known but very respected.

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... -can-help/

[nicholaldo]

A quite interesting article regarding Luckock and his links to a company named Trafigura HERE.

And also this video:

[officer_dibble]

All sounds reasonable… be a test if season tickets drop off this summer - can’t see fans sticking their hand in pockets for another ‘bond’ anytime soon either.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yeah interesting investors. But ultimately don’t sound like they fancy stumping up millions to cover big losses. So we will have to be self sufficient. I wonder how much we would need to recoup in fees this summer without the extra championship income? One assumes we’d be set for a loss of 3M give or take so maybe need to sell to that sort of value?

[Worthy4England]

Yeah interesting investors. But ultimately don’t sound like they fancy stumping up millions to cover big losses. So we will have to be self sufficient. I wonder how much we would need to recoup in fees this summer without the extra championship income? One assumes we’d be set for a loss of 3M give or take so maybe need to sell to that sort of value?

How do you know our expenditure has been predicated on Champo income next season?

[officer_dibble]

Didn’t we sign Collins to “get us over the line” or something similar? But I would hope wages are at least somewhat reflective of performance - so it’s bonus based on promotion. Collins payments should be weighted on that too. Or goals and assists - he’s doing neither!

[Worthy4England]

Didn’t we sign Collins to “get us over the line” or something similar? But I would hope wages are at least somewhat reflective of performance - so it’s bonus based on promotion. Collins payments should be weighted on that too. Or goals and assists - he’s doing neither!

Yes get us over the line. Dunno whether that means "went out on a limb financially"

[The_Gun]

Michael Edwards is supposedly on the verge of taking over football operations at Liverpool again. I’d hazard a guess that this means he’s not going to be overly involved with us.

[BWFC_Insane]

Yeah interesting investors. But ultimately don’t sound like they fancy stumping up millions to cover big losses. So we will have to be self sufficient. I wonder how much we would need to recoup in fees this summer without the extra championship income? One assumes we’d be set for a loss of 3M give or take so maybe need to sell to that sort of value?

How do you know our expenditure has been predicated on Champo income next season?

I’m not suggesting that but it was our loss last season so one assumes it won’t be hugely changed this time round either.

[Worthy4England]

Yeah interesting investors. But ultimately don’t sound like they fancy stumping up millions to cover big losses. So we will have to be self sufficient. I wonder how much we would need to recoup in fees this summer without the extra championship income? One assumes we’d be set for a loss of 3M give or take so maybe need to sell to that sort of value?

How do you know our expenditure has been predicated on Champo income next season?

I’m not suggesting that but it was our loss last season so one assumes it won’t be hugely changed this time round either.

I don't know whether that sort of loss, leads us to need to sell £3m "worth" of players...not that the loss might not be similar - I mean it could be higher, you would assume we'd have turned a profit on Wembley and we've shipped out some loanees for perms.

[BWFC_Insane]

https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/2 ... ns-future/

Interesting interview where Hart admits that ‘breaking even’ financially is impossible for Bolton Wanderers to be competitive in league one.

Let’s hope the Swiss investors stay interested. They can talk about plans in place for either scenario but we’ve been here before. It’s absolutely critical we go up because without that extra revenue and investment incentive I do fear where this financial project is headed. Who would want to foot the bill year on year for a league one club that is losing several millions of pounds each year?

[Worthy4England]

What generally happens is, one division up, becomes less sustainable, because you still chase "success" and the numbers are larger. I dunno where this notion of "sustainable" at football actually lives (outside of bottom end L1/top end L2 type scenario. If we head up the leagues, we need investment from somewhere, almost certainly.

[BWFC_Insane]

https://x.com/marciles/status/177338161 ... o4TppbHkNQ

Ruh-roh.

Thats problematic. A sizeable increase in losses against a 40% increase in revenue.

Been here before….alarm bells and all that.

[officer_dibble]

Neil Hart off? Jumped or pushed? Be interesting where the replacement comes from - Sharon or the Swiss.

[Worthy4England]

Neil Hart off? Jumped or pushed? Be interesting where the replacement comes from - Sharon or the Swiss.

Yes. MK Dons is the current story.

[GhostoftheBok]

Neil Hart off? Jumped or pushed? Be interesting where the replacement comes from - Sharon or the Swiss.

Certainly is interesting.

I suppose you have to wonder whether part of Sharon's "root and branch review" was asking Neil to find a new gig, but I seem to recall she was keen to mentioned him in Parliament so likely not.

If it's external pressure (if the "Swiss" lot count as external) then that's arguably more interesting and you'd then probably ask where else they are putting pressure, if anywhere.

A CEO moving on isn't all that odd and it could just be that MK's new guys targeted the "CEO of the year" winner with a bigger salary. If so then best of luck to him.

So could have been pushed. Could have chased the money. Will we ever know?

[Prufrock]

I don't think I should know the name of our CEO.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I don't think I should know the name of our CEO.

Then I'll assume you'll be even less interested in this...
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