Schu me the way to Amarillo - Summer 2025 Transfer Thread

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Sorry, I think I dropped my mr whippy that day. Bad times.

[knobpolisher]

Exactly grammatically it's

You're a dick not your a dick.

[TonyDomingos]

Exactly grammatically it's

You're a dick not your a dick.

It's possible the "a" is the grammatical error, perhaps?

[Bijou Bob]

70 pages and very little to get excited about........I could make a case for being able to see the messenger's point..........

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Nixon reporting BW have “split with” Ludonautics. Oh well.

[BWFC_Insane]

Nixon reporting BW have “split with” Ludonautics. Oh well.

Thank god. Didn’t want them having anything to do with us.

[Worthy4England]

Reminds me of the best PM I ever received on this site when I gently pointed out an erstwhile poster's suggested line-up contained one more player than the regulation XI....

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Delete your post + stay out of my fecking threads you utter cuint!

understood?

Ahh the PM. I have a good few from around that time!

[Worthy4England]

Nixon reporting BW have “split with” Ludonautics. Oh well.

Thank god. Didn’t want them having anything to do with us.

Any major reason, mate? I'm if favour of us using credilble analytics, just not them being "instead of," proper scouting, but "supplemental to." I'm not sure I know enough about what they were doing, either way.

[BWFC_Insane]

Nixon reporting BW have “split with” Ludonautics. Oh well.

Thank god. Didn’t want them having anything to do with us.

Any major reason, mate? I'm if favour of us using credilble analytics, just not them being "instead of," proper scouting, but "supplemental to." I'm not sure I know enough about what they were doing, either way.

They are a sporting consultancy business - to me it’s a major conflict of interest that they primarily advise on player recruitment (and managerial recruitment) as an external profit making agency.

If they were offering data solutions and a suite of analysis that you own and have sole access to then that’s fine. But as I understand it that’s not how it works.

I didn’t like the implication that we had given them shares in return for their services. That felt very uncomfortable to me. We don’t have any control over who else they work with.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Usually happy for us to seek any possible marginal gains but there always seemed a disconnect and as BWFCi says the stocks thing was odd. (Has Ian Evatt disbursed his yet?)

[Worthy4England]

Consultancies exist in most business fields - as external profit making agencies - whether their value to us/you is worth much is subjective. They had B3 Shares with no voting rights. When we bought back Hart's B Shares and Markham's, they were £10 and £16. On the data side - you don't get to pick with whom Prozone and Opta work, either - they're not exclusive.

I dunno, feels like someone said "let's give this a shot" and has now decided "maybe not" - doesn't feel very egregious.

In other news Football Ventures (Whites) Limited - our football bit - has had a name change to FVWL Football Limited and "Head Office" has been moved to Berners Street in London....all a bit strange.

[BWFC_Insane]

Consultancies exist in most business fields - as external profit making agencies - whether their value to us/you is worth much is subjective. They had B3 Shares with no voting rights. When we bought back Hart's B Shares and Markham's, they were £10 and £16. On the data side - you don't get to pick with whom Prozone and Opta work, either - they're not exclusive.

I dunno, feels like someone said "let's give this a shot" and has now decided "maybe not" - doesn't feel very egregious.

In other news Football Ventures (Whites) Limited - our football bit - has had a name change to FVWL Football Limited and "Head Office" has been moved to Berners Street in London....all a bit strange.

I don’t think it was sinister or anything I just think it was a mistaken model.

I think it would be rare that someone would have consultancy that effectively dictated where their business deployed its resources, especially in a competitive environment without some sort of protection against that advice being given to a competitor.

I think it’s perfectly normal to take consultancy on how to do stuff. Or even what specifically to do but the model whereby effectively ludonautics offer the same data and systems to everyone and then consult on how to interpret and act on that - to me doesn’t feel right for football.

[Worthy4England]

Why would you employ a - presumably - reasonably remunerated consultancy and not ask the question around where to deploy the resources. That's perfectly normal with the proviso that you're still on the hook for determining how you use that advice. I doubt Ludonautics were saying, "Ian, you're going to be playing 4132..."

Were they advising another L1 team I doubt they'd be saying it to them, either. I'm not close enough to understand who their Client list was.

But.

From Evatt saying "when we sign some one, him, Markham and Ludonautics all give assent before selling the idea to Shaz," three have now departed, because last season it clearly didn't work...

[BWFC_Insane]

Why would you employ a - presumably - reasonably remunerated consultancy and not ask the question around where to deploy the resources. That's perfectly normal with the proviso that you're still on the hook for determining how you use that advice. I doubt Ludonautics were saying, "Ian, you're going to be playing 4132..."

Were they advising another L1 team I doubt they'd be saying it to them, either. I'm not close enough to understand who their Client list was.

But.

From Evatt saying "when we sign some one, him, Markham and Ludonautics all give assent before selling the idea to Shaz," three have now departed, because last season it clearly didn't work...

I think the point Fergal made that in theory everyone has the same data is more pertinent. Ludonautics say they sell their data approach to identifying transfer targets to three clubs all roughly at the same level and with similar financial scope. And all three want a new striker. The data will identify the same players. And then it comes down to differentiating purely based on your need and your plan. The data approach is let’s be honest likely to suggest the best target for those clubs and in all likelihood the best one or two options (let’s set aside the folly of only using data for this but we were) are unlikely to be as neat as mapping onto one club each.

So the reality is that you are creating a situation where for a client to benefit from your work you potentially need another one not to.

I just never liked it. Build it in house. If you want to. And use it in house.

It would be the equivalent of Allardyce rather than putting Mike Forde on a permanent full time contract as soon as he could afford it to allow him to sell his sports performance stuff round everyone else as a contractor. I don’t see that have happening.

[Worthy4England]

Why would you employ a - presumably - reasonably remunerated consultancy and not ask the question around where to deploy the resources. That's perfectly normal with the proviso that you're still on the hook for determining how you use that advice. I doubt Ludonautics were saying, "Ian, you're going to be playing 4132..."

Were they advising another L1 team I doubt they'd be saying it to them, either. I'm not close enough to understand who their Client list was.

But.

From Evatt saying "when we sign some one, him, Markham and Ludonautics all give assent before selling the idea to Shaz," three have now departed, because last season it clearly didn't work...

I think the point Fergal made that in theory everyone has the same data is more pertinent. Ludonautics say they sell their data approach to identifying transfer targets to three clubs all roughly at the same level and with similar financial scope. And all three want a new striker. The data will identify the same players. And then it comes down to differentiating purely based on your need and your plan. The data approach is let’s be honest likely to suggest the best target for those clubs and in all likelihood the best one or two options (let’s set aside the folly of only using data for this but we were) are unlikely to be as neat as mapping onto one club each.

So the reality is that you are creating a situation where for a client to benefit from your work you potentially need another one not to.

I just never liked it. Build it in house. If you want to. And use it in house.

It would be the equivalent of Allardyce rather than putting Mike Forde on a permanent full time contract as soon as he could afford it to allow him to sell his sports performance stuff round everyone else as a contractor. I don’t see that have happening.

Let's just say - true - everyone has the same data. So what was your point about being unhappy with them selling something everyone has, elsewhere? Makes no sense. Data doesn't identify any bugger, it sits there as a series of 0's and 1's until someone tells it what to do.

[The_Gun]

You can tell there were no transfers this week…

[Worthy4England]

You can tell there were no transfers this week…

Indeed. Not a revised formation picture anywhere! Was it this week they went on their pre-season jolly?

[TonyDomingos]

You can tell there were no transfers this week…

Indeed. Not a revised formation picture anywhere! Was it this week they went on their pre-season jolly?

This week it was the weigh-in and comparing new tattoos. The jolly (El Jollio) is next week.

[Worthy4England]

You can tell there were no transfers this week…

Indeed. Not a revised formation picture anywhere! Was it this week they went on their pre-season jolly?

This week it was the weigh-in and comparing new tattoos. The jolly (El Jollio) is next week.

Ta! I look forwards to us picking up Frederico Veloso on the way.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

In the end you're judged by what you do. If they were hired to help us scout bargains abroad, they turned up Szabi Schon and that's it. Unless you count JOT, who was born in Slough.