Carling Cup 3rd Round - Burnley Away
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It's been suggested already but unfortunately we'd have to remove one of our league championship winning seasons or runners-up seasons from the board.CAPSLOCK wrote:No worries
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Congratulations anyway...you'll be able to stick tonight up on your honours board
Bolton has some spare room though, right? In the spirit of friendship...
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Had to get a Bus to Bolton, Train to Blackburn, Taxi to Burnley, Game, Taxi to Bolton, Bus to Farnworth. Wish I hadn't bothered. Oh and a Burnley fan of all people called me an inbred, he was about 12 as well.
Alonso is the slowest full-back I have ever seen, seriously. Anyone who still thinks he should still play ahead of Robbo after tonight, seriously needs a mental health check.
Alonso is the slowest full-back I have ever seen, seriously. Anyone who still thinks he should still play ahead of Robbo after tonight, seriously needs a mental health check.
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In the spirit of friendship, please don't confuse beating our reserve team 1-0 with a disputed goal as anything worth putting up on a board. Just make you look downmarket. Our bad move, not your good. You won, be content and keep it in context.ClaretCharlie wrote:
Bolton has some spare room though, right? In the spirit of friendship... edit: of != or. -.-
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Somebody thought him worth owt between 1 and 2 milliont_o_molloy wrote:Alonso is the slowest full-back I have ever seen, seriously. Anyone who still thinks he should still play ahead of Robbo after tonight, seriously needs a mental health check.
Anyway, he's a kid in a foreign land
Hopefully, he gets better, but I did have me worries after his 20 minute appearance against the Spaniards pre-season
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I think you need to take my sense of humour in context. I wasn't seriously suggesting we put this result up on an honours board somewhere. Honest, i wasn't. I think the cup wins against the premiership teams of Chelsea, Arsenal, Villa, Fulham (twice) and Derby would go on such a board ahead of you anyway. (btw, it was actually a Bolton fan's suggestion... just saying.)TANGODANCER wrote:In the spirit of friendship, please don't confuse beating our reserve team 1-0 with a disputed goal as anything worth putting up on a board. Just make you look downmarket. Our bad move, not your good. You won, be content and keep it in context.ClaretCharlie wrote:
Bolton has some spare room though, right? In the spirit of friendship... edit: of != or. -.-
Also, yes... we beat your "reserve team". but you made 6 changes to saturday's draw with Villa, we also made 3 so it's not as if you made 10 changes and we put out our first XI.
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LK was responding to the view that had this been under GM we would be marching on the Reebok with pitchforks and burning torches...H. Pedersen wrote:Of course, but that doesn't mean it wasn't a bad result.Lord Kangana wrote:Sorry to burst the bubble, but that was a far cry from Northampton at home.
I tend to agree.. not a good result but OC has enough good will to avoid a lynchin' could be worse, we could be Everton....
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Ok, seeing as there seems to be little in terms of comment about the game I'll add my two penneth here.
Strange game, in that whilst you can't really complain about Burnley deserving to win, had we won equally I don't think there could have been any complaints. End to end stuff at times.
Having said that Bogdan had little really to do and yes they hit the post/bar twice from long range but other than that and the goal they didn't do much else save catch us out on the break once or twice near the end.
We played at times some nice football. Its going to be hard to go to Burnley and win without a ball winner in midfield but thats where we were at, and given that we counterattacked well and created things. Having said that, if you're going to play as we did, then you really have to take your chances as its hard to build concerted pressure when the centre of your midfield has all the bite of a pampered poodle. Its also hard when your striker is absolutely disinterested and shite.
A note to anyone Klasnic was abysmal. In every way possible. I'm worried a massive mistake has been made keeping this guy at the 'Bok (and a note for TD Elmander played with neiter Klasnic, who he replaced, or Moreno who Lee replaced at the same time but still). Davies and Elmander are safe up front I feel. And Klasnic storming off won't have helped his case either. Funny to have Bolton fans singing for Elmander with Klasnic on the pitch.
Alonso also looks well, puzzling. Can't defend, is hopeless on the ball and can't take a throw in. He's young, but he's going to have to improve massively. Put it this way, Robinson will not be ousted this season I can guarantee that.
Rodrigo, was more impressive. Clearly has pace and skill and wasn't overawed. Not great end product though. If he can improve on that he'll be very useful indeed. Otherwise he'll be the next Vaz Te. But as a loan he'll be ok, as he'll give us a different dimension from the bench at the very least. He played as a wide right forward and it worked well first half, though he faded in the second. Not sure he's ever going to be a premiership centre forward though, but lightweight for that, but out wide he's an option.
Mark Davies had a good game but as ever faded. Cohen should have scored and generally did what he does, run around without achieving much.
Knight and Ricketts played well as did Steinsson.
Bogdan can't kick won't throw. Jussi back please.
Taylor looks like he can barely run, the mind was willing but the flesh was weak. I do wonder if his illness last season has really knocked him backwards as he seemed to try but just didn't seem to have anything in the tank. Some good set pieces though as ever.
So there we have it, some good elements to our play, probably did as well as we could expect with that team. Had we taken a couple of our chances we'd have won. But we didn't and I suppose overall we can have no complaints.
Strange game, in that whilst you can't really complain about Burnley deserving to win, had we won equally I don't think there could have been any complaints. End to end stuff at times.
Having said that Bogdan had little really to do and yes they hit the post/bar twice from long range but other than that and the goal they didn't do much else save catch us out on the break once or twice near the end.
We played at times some nice football. Its going to be hard to go to Burnley and win without a ball winner in midfield but thats where we were at, and given that we counterattacked well and created things. Having said that, if you're going to play as we did, then you really have to take your chances as its hard to build concerted pressure when the centre of your midfield has all the bite of a pampered poodle. Its also hard when your striker is absolutely disinterested and shite.
A note to anyone Klasnic was abysmal. In every way possible. I'm worried a massive mistake has been made keeping this guy at the 'Bok (and a note for TD Elmander played with neiter Klasnic, who he replaced, or Moreno who Lee replaced at the same time but still). Davies and Elmander are safe up front I feel. And Klasnic storming off won't have helped his case either. Funny to have Bolton fans singing for Elmander with Klasnic on the pitch.
Alonso also looks well, puzzling. Can't defend, is hopeless on the ball and can't take a throw in. He's young, but he's going to have to improve massively. Put it this way, Robinson will not be ousted this season I can guarantee that.
Rodrigo, was more impressive. Clearly has pace and skill and wasn't overawed. Not great end product though. If he can improve on that he'll be very useful indeed. Otherwise he'll be the next Vaz Te. But as a loan he'll be ok, as he'll give us a different dimension from the bench at the very least. He played as a wide right forward and it worked well first half, though he faded in the second. Not sure he's ever going to be a premiership centre forward though, but lightweight for that, but out wide he's an option.
Mark Davies had a good game but as ever faded. Cohen should have scored and generally did what he does, run around without achieving much.
Knight and Ricketts played well as did Steinsson.
Bogdan can't kick won't throw. Jussi back please.
Taylor looks like he can barely run, the mind was willing but the flesh was weak. I do wonder if his illness last season has really knocked him backwards as he seemed to try but just didn't seem to have anything in the tank. Some good set pieces though as ever.
So there we have it, some good elements to our play, probably did as well as we could expect with that team. Had we taken a couple of our chances we'd have won. But we didn't and I suppose overall we can have no complaints.
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Ricketts was the worst player we had on the park. He kept putting Bogdan under pressure with his decision making. A worrying regression to the first half of last season for me.
Thought Alonso played fine until Taylor stopped putting any effort in down the left. From the decent bits, Cohen, Mavies and Steinsson were probably our best players until we ran out of ideas and started to hide. After that it was the Knight and Steinsson rescue show at the back.
By default that makes Steiner man of the match, but no-one played consistently enough to deserve that.
Thought Alonso played fine until Taylor stopped putting any effort in down the left. From the decent bits, Cohen, Mavies and Steinsson were probably our best players until we ran out of ideas and started to hide. After that it was the Knight and Steinsson rescue show at the back.
By default that makes Steiner man of the match, but no-one played consistently enough to deserve that.
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Bogdan - nothing to do
Steinsson - abysmal, as usual
Alonso - can't take a throw-in, very poor
Knight - not bad
Ricketts - best centre half at the club, but was poor
Moreno - good start, faded
Davies - same
Cohen - shithouse
Taylor - lazy, feckless
Blake - started well, did nothing after an hour
Klasnic - woeful
Lee - should have been brought on 20mins earlier
Mandy - should have been brought on 20mins earlier
Oh and we've got some reet mongy fans.
Steinsson - abysmal, as usual
Alonso - can't take a throw-in, very poor
Knight - not bad
Ricketts - best centre half at the club, but was poor
Moreno - good start, faded
Davies - same
Cohen - shithouse
Taylor - lazy, feckless
Blake - started well, did nothing after an hour
Klasnic - woeful
Lee - should have been brought on 20mins earlier
Mandy - should have been brought on 20mins earlier
Oh and we've got some reet mongy fans.
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We must have been watching a different game I guess.Lord Kangana wrote:Ricketts was the worst player we had on the park. He kept putting Bogdan under pressure with his decision making. A worrying regression to the first half of last season for me.
Thought Alonso played fine until Taylor stopped putting any effort in down the left. From the decent bits, Cohen, Mavies and Steinsson were probably our best players until we ran out of ideas and started to hide. After that it was the Knight and Steinsson rescue show at the back.
By default that makes Steiner man of the match, but no-one played consistently enough to deserve that.
Ricketts whilst not at his best I thought did pretty well alongside Knight given the midfield offered little in protection.
Alonso looked clueless from the start IMO. I hope he improves.
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He should have dragged Matty off after about ten minutes, pushed Alonso forward and brought Robinson on. Would have had far better balance on that side as he was trying to do everything the young spanish lad. Felt sorry for him, totally exposed, and Burnley picked up on it and started applying pressure down that side after about half hour.
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I thought the same although Alonso looked so shaky on the ball I wasn't sure moving him into midfield was a great idea.Lord Kangana wrote:He should have dragged Matty off after about ten minutes, pushed Alonso forward and brought Robinson on. Would have had far better balance on that side as he was trying to do everything the young spanish lad. Felt sorry for him, totally exposed, and Burnley picked up on it and started applying pressure down that side after about half hour.
Taylor I watched him last night and he was trying, but its like there is nothing there in his legs. I don't think I've ever seen a player look like that, from the start. He was pumping to get back but was just nowhere near at times. I do wonder like I say what his illness last year has done and whether it has lasting effects. Glandular fever does has a habit of knocking you out a bit.
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A few people have mentioned that they thought Steinsson played well.. I thought he was extremely poor, both defensively and with his distribution. The amount of times he got murdered down his side or stood off and watched his man cross or shoot was incredible.
Definite weak link for us. Get Ricketts in that spot when Cahill returns
Definite weak link for us. Get Ricketts in that spot when Cahill returns
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Personally I thought he did well, the danger mainly came down the other flank IMO.boltonboris wrote:A few people have mentioned that they thought Steinsson played well.. I thought he was extremely poor, both defensively and with his distribution. The amount of times he got murdered down his side or stood off and watched his man cross or shoot was incredible.
Definite weak link for us. Get Ricketts in that spot when Cahill returns
I've been critical of Steinsson in the past but he was decent last night and lets face it, is a better right back than Ricketts (who looks best to me at Centre Half). His distribution is hit and miss but he was ok last night. And Rodrigo hardly tracked back at all to cover him.
If Alonso was a bit exposed by Taylor struggling to get back, Steinsson was left wide open. And still did a decent enough job IMO.
This performance was dire.
Coyle should have played a stronger side, why go half and half?
Burnley knew how we were going to play, they had us well sussed even before a ball was kicked in the second half and we had no plan B. The possession stats will make interesting reading. We didn't even give them a game.
Eagles took the pi55 out of everyone in the back 4 we couldn't handle the orange piece of 5hit whilst a 40 year old bossed the midfield, they really gave us the run around.
All this crap about we want to get through in the cup competitions is pure bull5hit, Coyle daren't take the risk to lose at his old club with our full side as his ego wouldn't take it and as such put us out of the cup.
I thought we would try in the cups under Coyle with his pedigree, but now we have survival/FA cup to go for and its our season over. A cup run would have been a great confidence booster for players and fans alike.
The result shows to me Coyle is very naive, in my eyes he has a lot to do to win me over, he says the right things (Over and over) but things don't translate on the pitch.
I am pi55ed off that I bothered going, waste of a tuesday night. Not just saying it but this was poor very poor, not one player showed anything like their quality and the tactics were even worse if you could tell what we were trying to do in the second half then send answers in on the back of a fag packet because that where they must have been devised.
Add to this I was sat in an 80 year old stand with wooden seats, we should get a bloody refund.
Sort it out Coyle.
Coyle should have played a stronger side, why go half and half?
Burnley knew how we were going to play, they had us well sussed even before a ball was kicked in the second half and we had no plan B. The possession stats will make interesting reading. We didn't even give them a game.
Eagles took the pi55 out of everyone in the back 4 we couldn't handle the orange piece of 5hit whilst a 40 year old bossed the midfield, they really gave us the run around.
All this crap about we want to get through in the cup competitions is pure bull5hit, Coyle daren't take the risk to lose at his old club with our full side as his ego wouldn't take it and as such put us out of the cup.
I thought we would try in the cups under Coyle with his pedigree, but now we have survival/FA cup to go for and its our season over. A cup run would have been a great confidence booster for players and fans alike.
The result shows to me Coyle is very naive, in my eyes he has a lot to do to win me over, he says the right things (Over and over) but things don't translate on the pitch.
I am pi55ed off that I bothered going, waste of a tuesday night. Not just saying it but this was poor very poor, not one player showed anything like their quality and the tactics were even worse if you could tell what we were trying to do in the second half then send answers in on the back of a fag packet because that where they must have been devised.
Add to this I was sat in an 80 year old stand with wooden seats, we should get a bloody refund.
Sort it out Coyle.
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Jeesus. Get a grip. He wanted to do well in the cups but he has a squad and he needs to use it.bwfc wrote:This performance was dire.
Coyle should have played a stronger side, why go half and half?
Burnley knew how we were going to play, they had us well sussed even before a ball was kicked in the second half and we had no plan B. The possession stats will make interesting reading. We didn't even give them a game.
Eagles took the pi55 out of everyone in the back 4 we couldn't handle the orange piece of 5hit whilst a 40 year old bossed the midfield, they really gave us the run around.
All this crap about we want to get through in the cup competitions is pure bull5hit, Coyle daren't take the risk to lose at his old club with our full side as his ego wouldn't take it and as such put us out of the cup.
I thought we would try in the cups under Coyle with his pedigree, but now we have survival/FA cup to go for and its our season over. A cup run would have been a great confidence booster for players and fans alike.
The result shows to me Coyle is very naive, in my eyes he has a lot to do to win me over, he says the right things (Over and over) but things don't translate on the pitch.
I am pi55ed off that I bothered going, waste of a tuesday night. Not just saying it but this was poor very poor, not one player showed anything like their quality and the tactics were even worse if you could tell what we were trying to do in the second half then send answers in on the back of a fag packet because that where they must have been devised.
Add to this I was sat in an 80 year old stand with wooden seats, we should get a bloody refund.
Sort it out Coyle.
He picked a team good enough to go through.
That team created chances and missed them and lost to the only (controversial) goal of the game.
In terms of entertainment this game was pretty good with end to end stuff and chances and we did try and play football.
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