Stoke at the Reebok...

[Tombwfc]

Suprised by some of the comments on here, I thought it was a shit game and we were woeful. I think that's the worst I can remember us at home under Coyle. Did we open them up at any point?

The only thing that stopped it from going down in the Villa/Man City hall of daylight-robbery fame was that Stoke were just as bad.

All that said, we probably wouldn't have won that last season, and they were two very well taken goals. If you have quality players, you're likely to get points you barely deserve. Klasnic was man of the match for sheer entertainment value, the mental bastard.

My view on the fighting during the game was that it looked a lot more menacing than it turned out to be. The police/stewards seemed to get enough men over pretty quickly.

[hisroyalgingerness]

On a somber note one of the Stoke fans was stretchered away for unknown reason in the first half, hope that's not too serious.

It was after the passage of play when they strung 4 passes together in open play, bit of oxygen, he'll be reet

[hisroyalgingerness]

Fun as it is to try and blame the trouble on Stoke, I can much more believe our chavvy kids. They're like it all the time, at away games and shit. Throw out the red cloth, then do their Moses Kiptanoue act

[stokie-staz]

Inside when your fans celebrated the winner, a load of us stokies got over the net due to poor policing and stewarding.

case closed

excuse me??? didn't you see the coins, bottles and shit coming over from your deprived chavs????

[James B]

what the f*ck are you doing jumping the segregation net?

[stokie-staz]

Suprised by some of the comments on here, I thought it was a shit game and we were woeful. I think that's the worst I can remember us at home under Coyle. Did we open them up at any point?

The only thing that stopped it from going down in the Villa/Man City hall of daylight-robbery fame was that Stoke were just as bad.

All that said, we probably wouldn't have won that last season, and they were two very well taken goals. If you have quality players, you're likely to get points you barely deserve.

My view on the fighting during the game was that it looked a lot more menacing than it turned out to be. The police/stewards seemed to get enough men over pretty quickly.

mate the police didn't have a clue, it could have gone off no problem if banning and cctv didn't exist, just no one wanted to go for it because of the consiquences, pretty good job it didn't because it would have been carnage.

[truewhite15]

Inside when your fans celebrated the winner, a load of us stokies got over the net due to poor policing and stewarding.

case closed

excuse me??? didn't you see the coins, bottles and shit coming over from your deprived chavs????

There were missiles back and forth, don't kid yourself. Your lot got pissed off cos you'd conceded and decided to make arses of yourselves. Not that our lot are any better most of the time, but you started it. And James was saying that, essentially, it's no surprise that you got over due to poor policing and stewarding, cos our stewards are pathetic (that's how I read it anyway - correct me if I'm wrong sir).
Tombwfc - It was nowhere near the stories of point-snatching against City/Villa. Stoke rarely threatened, and neither did we, but despite that, it was nowhere near as dull as we had to sit through last season.

[bobo the clown]

They should alter the netting to a form of catch-netting, so any scrote who runs onto it is trapped and the scuffers need to nothing to catch the little feckers, but rope them in.

This shows how I've mellowed, previously I would have wanted razor wire !! I feel like a wuss. Don't tell Hobo.

[hisroyalgingerness]

Yeah, agree with Tom pretty much. It wasn't that great a spectacle. We were out-fought in midfield (again, this "attacking" 4-4-2 just ends up with us being outnumbered), lack the craft, pace and movement to unlock stubborn defences and are still prone to mistakes.

We were let down by astonishingly poor refereeing, in fact both sides were probably bewildered by some of the decisions by Walton and his assistants including a good Stoke penalty shout, numerous pushes on Davies that resulted in freekicks for Stoke and similar clashes in our defence which also resulted in freekicks for Stoke. Baffling really.

Our "good football" comes in such tiny spurts, it can be possible to miss them. Lee's goal was a good move, well finished. Muamba could have rounded off a similarly well-worked move and a couple of balls flashed across the goal similarly could have had the purists begrudging applauding us. But outside this there's a lot of turgid periods where our midfield has to find a white shirt out of a static, marked bunch of individuals reluctant to attempt to move about.

Petrov made so many mistakes, including the key one which led to the goal that meant he had to come off. You don't expect your experienced players to drop clangers like that, that was basic. But Taylor failed to take an opportunity to impress.

Massively pleased with the win. Much needed. Not necessarily deserved, but feck it.

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

Stokie Staz - Before I post this, I'd just like to say that everything you posted on this forum until now had been extremely civil, and that I respect Stoke - the club and the fans.

Hi folkes, just got back in from the game, i must say i was very impressed with both Stoke and Bolton, Some good football all round, but lets be honest here, you havn't got rid of the long ball game by any means, now this isn't just sour grapes, its the truth!

You say it like it's a bad thing that we use long balls. We mix it up as much as we can. If we didn't the play would be too predictable.

Anyway, forget the game for a moment here, I will explain the Trouble in and out of the ground as i was near/involved in both... Inside when your fans celebrated the winner, a load of us stokies got over the net due to poor policing and stewarding

Well, that makes it alright then.

i wasn't intending to hit anyone, but some little **** spat towards me

Not condoning that in any way. Behaviour that's as stupid as...I don't know....scrambling a net designed to segregate fans and blaming it on something other than the incendiary behaviour of themselves?

some might say: oh stoke petty hooligans always causing trouble again

I might not. I might say "I hope anyone involved, regardless of the team they support, in scrambling over the net to get into the opposition fans, throwing punches, spitting at opposition fans, throwing bottles or bringing the horrible poison that almost killed football 20-30 years ago back into football grounds are banned from watching football ever again."

but i am afraid it was just as much the bolton fans as stoke

And I've already heard bolton fans saying Stoke fans started it. And The Oatcake have already had Stoke fans saying it was all started by Bolton fans. And this is what's as pathetic as the stupid, childish ridiculous tribalistic nonsense of it all - "they started it", "no, they did".

i am expecting a whole load of abuse from you now

I really hope you don't take this as abuse to you personally. But I just hate it when people try and rationalise what is, essentially, illegal, c*ntish behaviour and try and make it alright because it's all football related. Or, and this grates more than anything else, dismiss it all as "banter", as if the word alone excuses all sorts of poisonous language.

i didnt throw any punches or cause any violence but was in the surge.

But did you storm into the opposition end because the other fans were goading you over their team scoring a goal against your team?

[TANGODANCER]

Suprised by some of the comments on here, I thought it was a shit game and we were woeful. I think that's the worst I can remember us at home under Coyle. Did we open them up at any point?

It was always going to be a physical battle, and it was. There was quite a bit of decent football amongst it and I'm a bit fed up of all this "long-ball" talk. Goals are scored in opponents boxes, not in tippy-tappy amongst the back four and in midfield. Aftr a spell of pressing by the opposition, the best way is to try and catch them out on the counter surely? I've seen us play a lot worse than this and we've just put a stop to a really good Stoke run. It'll do for me.

[truewhite15]

Suprised by some of the comments on here, I thought it was a shit game and we were woeful. I think that's the worst I can remember us at home under Coyle. Did we open them up at any point?

It was always going to be a physical battle, and it was. There was quite a bit of decent football amongst it and I'm a bit fed up of all this "long-ball" talk. Goals are scored in opponents boxes, not in tippy-tappy amongst the back four and in midfield. Aftr a spell of pressing by the opposition, the best way is to try and catch them out on the counter surely? I've seen us play a lot worse than this and we've just put a stop to a really good Stoke run. It'll do for me.

[stokie-staz]

Inside when your fans celebrated the winner, a load of us stokies got over the net due to poor policing and stewarding.

case closed

excuse me??? didn't you see the coins, bottles and shit coming over from your deprived chavs????

There were missiles back and forth, don't kid yourself. Your lot got pissed off cos you'd conceded and decided to make arses of yourselves. Not that our lot are any better most of the time, but you started it. And James was saying that, essentially, it's no surprise that you got over due to poor policing and stewarding, cos our stewards are pathetic (that's how I read it anyway - correct me if I'm wrong sir).
Tombwfc - It was nowhere near the stories of point-snatching against City/Villa. Stoke rarely threatened, and neither did we, but despite that, it was nowhere near as dull as we had to sit through last season.

yeah we were pissed off considering the reff was biased, and we had a blatent penalty rule out, every one in the stadium saw it but the officials!! so on another day we would have easily won that game, as for the trouble, your fans were no where near the worst i have seen, just some chavs giving it the big 'un as usual no threat to stoke at all, soon put in there place by stoke.

[TANGODANCER]

, and neither did we, but despite that, it was nowhere near as dull as we had to sit through last season.

yeah we were pissed off considering the reff was biased, and we had a blatent penalty rule out, every one in the stadium saw it but the officials!! so on another day we would have easily won that game, as for the trouble, your fans were no where near the worst i have seen, just some chavs giving it the big 'un as usual no threat to stoke at all, soon put in there place by stoke

So, you've gone from a decent-sounding fan who came in peace to a football lout in one day? Dissapointing.

[hisroyalgingerness]

Oh and bit of a shame for Davies. He got quite a rousing reception from an otherwise Zombiefied Reebok faithful, but it wasn't his best performance. He got little change from Faye, feck all change from the referee and missed two sitters. Both the header and the follow up are chances you might expect a (ahem) England centre forward to bury. Or any forward, really.

[truewhite15]

Inside when your fans celebrated the winner, a load of us stokies got over the net due to poor policing and stewarding.

case closed

excuse me??? didn't you see the coins, bottles and shit coming over from your deprived chavs????

There were missiles back and forth, don't kid yourself. Your lot got pissed off cos you'd conceded and decided to make arses of yourselves. Not that our lot are any better most of the time, but you started it. And James was saying that, essentially, it's no surprise that you got over due to poor policing and stewarding, cos our stewards are pathetic (that's how I read it anyway - correct me if I'm wrong sir).
Tombwfc - It was nowhere near the stories of point-snatching against City/Villa. Stoke rarely threatened, and neither did we, but despite that, it was nowhere near as dull as we had to sit through last season.

yeah we were pissed off considering the reff was biased, and we had a blatent penalty rule out, every one in the stadium saw it but the officials!! so on another day we would have easily won that game, as for the trouble, your fans were no where near the worst i have seen, just some chavs giving it the big 'un as usual no threat to stoke at all, soon put in there place by stoke.

I happened to be right in front of that "penalty" incident, and there were 2 arms raised in the area, one belonging to Knight, one belonging to Huth - Huth's other arm was in Knight's back, if anything it was a free kick to us for a blatant push, which your lot were getting away with all day long. Biased? Yeah, he was - in your favour.

[stokie-staz]

, and neither did we, but despite that, it was nowhere near as dull as we had to sit through last season.

yeah we were pissed off considering the reff was biased, and we had a blatent penalty rule out, every one in the stadium saw it but the officials!! so on another day we would have easily won that game, as for the trouble, your fans were no where near the worst i have seen, just some chavs giving it the big 'un as usual no threat to stoke at all, soon put in there place by stoke

So, you've gone from a decent-sounding fan who came in peace to a football lout in one day? Dissapointing.

how come?? to be honest i thought Bolton were a nice group of fans, i wasn't expecting that embarresment

[hisroyalgingerness]

Ha, the ref wasn't biased. Come on, how often do you get a whole football ground telling the referee he's not fit to do this job? He performed pitifully, but it evened out

[KeeeeeeeBaaaaaaab]

, and neither did we, but despite that, it was nowhere near as dull as we had to sit through last season.

yeah we were pissed off considering the reff was biased, and we had a blatent penalty rule out, every one in the stadium saw it but the officials!! so on another day we would have easily won that game, as for the trouble, your fans were no where near the worst i have seen, just some chavs giving it the big 'un as usual no threat to stoke at all, soon put in there place by stoke

So, you've gone from a decent-sounding fan who came in peace to a football lout in one day? Dissapointing.

how come?? to be honest i thought Bolton were a nice group of fans, i wasn't expecting that embarresment

"Bolton were a nice group of fans"? so you're assuming all 20-odd thousand fans were going to behave the same?

Sad fact is that all clubs have their fair share of idiots. As we saw today, Stoke's and Bolton's got very close to each other, with stupid, ridiculous, horrible and embarrassing consequences. From both sides.

I really hope anyone involved is dealt with firmly and properly.

[stokie-staz]

Ha, the ref wasn't biased. Come on, how often do you get a whole football ground telling the referee he's not fit to do this job? He performed pitifully, but it evened out

my bad... i actually do remeber your lot signing it with us, sorry about that, but lets just watch MOTD and see if it was a peno