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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Nobbys Belly » Thu Sep 01, 2011 5:25 pm

Would think having little to no defensive duties would suit Petrov
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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Athers » Thu Sep 01, 2011 6:36 pm

No player can have little to no defensive duties though!

Are the club not bothering with the apostrophe in his name? Not there on the site or on the shirt they're printing him.
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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Annoyed Grunt » Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:01 pm

McMoose wrote:Hey fellas...

ANOTHER Liverpool fan here (yes we're everywhere). Glad to see David N'gog come to Bolton, I think he will live up to his potential more with you fine fellas then being a bench warmer at Anfield. That and I have a secret soft spot for Bolton and want to see them do well. (Bolton did a North American tour last year and came to Charleston, South Carolina where I managed to see them play, even snagged a photo and autograph with Mr. Coyle)

The first time I saw N'gog play (which may or may not of been his Debut, not sure on that one) it was against ManUre and he managed to bag himself a goal.

Good luck with the season! Hope you embarrass the Mancs
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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Prufrock » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:23 pm

Tombwfc wrote:Coyle said last week if he came through the two friendlies it'd be three weeks.

Love Stu, but we have enough midfielders at the club not to have to panic and rush him back. He's not so good that he'll walk back into our team having been out for 6 months with no pre-season either. Certainly no point rushing him back so he can stroll about half-fit while Man Utd and Chelsea dick us.
Prufrock wrote:At work I was being told Jerome was coming here and Cahill was off. I'm obviously chuffed. really hope people aren't expecting Sturridge MkII. I'm happy with N'Gog, but he isn't Sturridge good. He isn't particularly quick at all, and he isn't the bustling, greedy goal grabber Sturridge is. However, his movement when I've seen him has been very good, and he can finish. Klasnic sort of player, but less dead eyed, and more mobile. On the one hand I'm happy, but on the other I'm frustrated that LCY and Holden are both out, otherwise I think we'd be set for a cracker. If Kakuta can contribute, we're more than set IMO though.
I think the Sturridge comparison is slightly harsh, as no-one (that I can recall) was talking about him in those terms when he first signed.

I'm not saying N'Gog is going to come in and be as good as Sturridge, we'll wait and see. I think Sturridge would find it difficult to replicate what he showed for us last season. He was a good player who was outstanding for a relatively short period of time.

All I meant is folk shouldn't expect the level of performance we got from Sturridge from N'Gog. I think he is a very good signing, but a very different sort of player, and also one less likely to make things happen on his own. He is also less likely to run down blind alleys, and more likely to pass the fecking thing. I think Sturridge hit a purple patch, but I do think he is a better player than N'Gog. However, not being as good as Sturridge shouldn't disqualify someone from our plans.

Basically all I'm getting at is that people shouldn't expect Messi and then get on his back when he isn't.
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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:44 pm

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Tombwfc wrote:Coyle said last week if he came through the two friendlies it'd be three weeks.

Love Stu, but we have enough midfielders at the club not to have to panic and rush him back. He's not so good that he'll walk back into our team having been out for 6 months with no pre-season either. Certainly no point rushing him back so he can stroll about half-fit while Man Utd and Chelsea dick us.
Prufrock wrote:At work I was being told Jerome was coming here and Cahill was off. I'm obviously chuffed. really hope people aren't expecting Sturridge MkII. I'm happy with N'Gog, but he isn't Sturridge good. He isn't particularly quick at all, and he isn't the bustling, greedy goal grabber Sturridge is. However, his movement when I've seen him has been very good, and he can finish. Klasnic sort of player, but less dead eyed, and more mobile. On the one hand I'm happy, but on the other I'm frustrated that LCY and Holden are both out, otherwise I think we'd be set for a cracker. If Kakuta can contribute, we're more than set IMO though.
I think the Sturridge comparison is slightly harsh, as no-one (that I can recall) was talking about him in those terms when he first signed.

I'm not saying N'Gog is going to come in and be as good as Sturridge, we'll wait and see. I think Sturridge would find it difficult to replicate what he showed for us last season. He was a good player who was outstanding for a relatively short period of time.

All I meant is folk shouldn't expect the level of performance we got from Sturridge from N'Gog. I think he is a very good signing, but a very different sort of player, and also one less likely to make things happen on his own. He is also less likely to run down blind alleys, and more likely to pass the fecking thing. I think Sturridge hit a purple patch, but I do think he is a better player than N'Gog. However, not being as good as Sturridge shouldn't disqualify someone from our plans.

Basically all I'm getting at is that people shouldn't expect Messi and then get on his back when he isn't.
I don't think anyone thinks NGog is as good as Sturridge, which is why we got him for 4M and Sturridge has a 20M price tag on his head!

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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Prufrock » Thu Sep 01, 2011 9:51 pm

I think there are a lot of comments throughout various transfer based threads that suggest people>0 are expecting Sturridge Two.
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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Sep 01, 2011 10:40 pm

I'm not convinced by their relative values having any bearing on their relative merits. For one, a couple of months prior to January 2011 you'd have been laughed out of town if you suggested it would take £20m to get Sturridge from Chelsea.

Moreover, it was clear that Sturridge came and bust a gut to try to show what he could do for Chelsea, He had no interest in passing, he was very single minded anywhere near the ball. Now that worked well for him, and mostly for us. But I doubt it was a long term sustainable strategy.

Switch to N'Gog, and I'm guessing he's had more game time for Liverpool, being slightly up the pecking order relative to Sturridge at his club, so wasn't ever likely to be loaned out at that point. He hasn't had that chance to up his stock.

I hope Sturridge gets nowt under the new regime, and is restless for a loan move again come January to put himself in the shop window once more. I would like to think we're high up that potential list.
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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by wanderers_on_tour » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:04 pm

Out of all the options mentioned i'd be most excited for the potential of a N'Gog/Eaves combo, perhaps give it a try first in the f.a cup? (given Eaves makes a swift recovery)

Also I had no idea N'Gog wa 6 foot 3, i know height isn't the most important thing when it comes to heading the ball (see peter crouch and zat knight) but it'd do well if he can get on the end of some petrov/eagles/tuncay crosses.
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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Tombwfc » Thu Sep 01, 2011 11:17 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Prufrock wrote:
Tombwfc wrote:Coyle said last week if he came through the two friendlies it'd be three weeks.

Love Stu, but we have enough midfielders at the club not to have to panic and rush him back. He's not so good that he'll walk back into our team having been out for 6 months with no pre-season either. Certainly no point rushing him back so he can stroll about half-fit while Man Utd and Chelsea dick us.
Prufrock wrote:At work I was being told Jerome was coming here and Cahill was off. I'm obviously chuffed. really hope people aren't expecting Sturridge MkII. I'm happy with N'Gog, but he isn't Sturridge good. He isn't particularly quick at all, and he isn't the bustling, greedy goal grabber Sturridge is. However, his movement when I've seen him has been very good, and he can finish. Klasnic sort of player, but less dead eyed, and more mobile. On the one hand I'm happy, but on the other I'm frustrated that LCY and Holden are both out, otherwise I think we'd be set for a cracker. If Kakuta can contribute, we're more than set IMO though.
I think the Sturridge comparison is slightly harsh, as no-one (that I can recall) was talking about him in those terms when he first signed.

I'm not saying N'Gog is going to come in and be as good as Sturridge, we'll wait and see. I think Sturridge would find it difficult to replicate what he showed for us last season. He was a good player who was outstanding for a relatively short period of time.

All I meant is folk shouldn't expect the level of performance we got from Sturridge from N'Gog. I think he is a very good signing, but a very different sort of player, and also one less likely to make things happen on his own. He is also less likely to run down blind alleys, and more likely to pass the fecking thing. I think Sturridge hit a purple patch, but I do think he is a better player than N'Gog. However, not being as good as Sturridge shouldn't disqualify someone from our plans.

Basically all I'm getting at is that people shouldn't expect Messi and then get on his back when he isn't.
I don't think anyone thinks NGog is as good as Sturridge, which is why we got him for 4M and Sturridge has a 20M price tag on his head!
But again, that price-tag is based on him being very very good for a period of 12 games. You might as well compare N'Gog to Messi as to compare him to the Sturridge we had, which was him playing at a level he will likely never reach ever again.

FWIW, if N'Gog can move, and score about 8-10 goals a season for the next half-decade, I'll be very happy with him.

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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Montreal Wanderer » Fri Sep 02, 2011 3:57 am

Lord Kangana wrote:I'm not convinced by their relative values having any bearing on their relative merits. For one, a couple of months prior to January 2011 you'd have been laughed out of town if you suggested it would take £20m to get Sturridge from Chelsea.

Moreover, it was clear that Sturridge came and bust a gut to try to show what he could do for Chelsea, He had no interest in passing, he was very single minded anywhere near the ball. Now that worked well for him, and mostly for us. But I doubt it was a long term sustainable strategy.

Switch to N'Gog, and I'm guessing he's had more game time for Liverpool, being slightly up the pecking order relative to Sturridge at his club, so wasn't ever likely to be loaned out at that point. He hasn't had that chance to up his stock.

I hope Sturridge gets nowt under the new regime, and is restless for a loan move again come January to put himself in the shop window once more. I would like to think we're high up that potential list.
I agree wholeheartedly, LK. Especially the second sentence. He wasn't much of a team player IMHO. I don't know anything about N'Gog but I'm not sure how we are going to fit everyone in the team. Nice problem though.
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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by CarlosHernandez » Fri Sep 02, 2011 4:49 am

Is his name pronounced En - Go, or En - gog?

We do have some options up forward now which is refreshing after having Robbie Blake as our reserve frontman 2 weeks ago! While Klasnic is knocking in a goal a game I think he may start, and I can see SKD starting at the moment too. Which leaves Ngog to bide his time. Although Klasnic does have a knack for scoring even when he comes on as a sub, so maybe Coyle might start with Ngog SKD with Klas replacing SKD after 75 minutes.

Certainly a nice problem for Coyle to have.

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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Lofthouse Lower » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:09 am

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Re: David N'Gog Signs

Post by Annoyed Grunt » Fri Sep 02, 2011 7:39 am

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Post by General Mannerheim » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:34 am

yeah silent G. davvid engo davvid davvid engo

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Post by Lofthouse Lower » Fri Sep 02, 2011 9:40 am

Then isn't it David En-O 8)

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Post by Verbal » Fri Sep 02, 2011 10:25 am

Shouldn't it be just David No if they're both silent?
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Post by boltonboris » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:12 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:I hope Sturridge gets nowt under the new regime, and is restless for a loan move again come January to put himself in the shop window once more. I would like to think we're high up that potential list.
There'd be bigger clubs than us after him. And I genuinely don;t think he gives a fook about us. Rightly or wrongly.

He's a focused, single minded player and his career progression is more important to him than any loyalty borne our of being given a chance to impress at a small Premier League club.

He may feel that we'd be good for him, he may also think that playing on loan at the likes of Spurs may give him more profile on a grander stage
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Post by boltonboris » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:14 pm

wanderers_on_tour wrote:Out of all the options mentioned i'd be most excited for the potential of a N'Gog/Eaves combo, perhaps give it a try first in the f.a cup? (given Eaves makes a swift recovery)

Also I had no idea N'Gog wa 6 foot 3, i know height isn't the most important thing when it comes to heading the ball (see peter crouch and zat knight) but it'd do well if he can get on the end of some petrov/eagles/tuncay crosses.
He's not really got the build to tussle with defender for headers (height is less important than strength when it come to flick ons etc.) but when it comes to attacking a cross I believe he's an excellent finisher with his head.
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Post by Prufrock » Fri Sep 02, 2011 12:20 pm

bbbobertson wrote:Oh yeah, and the thing I've tried to tell every Liverpool supporter who wanted to get rid of N'Gog is this:
Two years ago Lucas Leiva was 22 and most people said he was shit. Look at him now.

Sorry I keep posting...I'm just seriously gutted we lost N'Gog as I think he has a big future ahead of him and the price you paid is a pittance for someone with his potential.

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