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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by ratbert » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:43 am

Surely the people (the board) who set Coyle's compensation package at £7m are the ones that want shooting, if true. Surely they'd have learned something from the Megson 'gardening leave' debacle?

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:47 am

Nixon on twitter was asked about what Stuart Hall said, and said it was drivel!

Of course Nixon being Coyles spokesperson would say that...

However, I don't believe Coyle and his back room team will cost 7M for 6 months.

I think the club as a whole have waved the White flag and given up.

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by thebish » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:48 am

BWFC_Insane wrote: I think the club as a whole have waved the White flag and given up.
really?

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by BWFC_Insane » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:52 am

thebish wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote: I think the club as a whole have waved the White flag and given up.
really?
Yep.

Coyle has basically said, I've done all I can, sack me if you think someone can do better...

Gartside has said his job is safe.

We are on our worst run in over a century.

I'd say the club has accepted it's fate and given up fighting!

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by thebish » Mon Dec 12, 2011 10:53 am

BWFC_Insane wrote:
thebish wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote: I think the club as a whole have waved the White flag and given up.
really?
Yep.

Coyle has basically said, I've done all I can, sack me if you think someone can do better...

Gartside has said his job is safe.

We are on our worst run in over a century.

I'd say the club has accepted it's fate and given up fighting!
you reckon?

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by CAPSLOCK » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:12 am

ratbert wrote:Surely the people (the board) who set Coyle's compensation package at £7m are the ones that want shooting, if true. Surely they'd have learned something from the Megson 'gardening leave' debacle?
These people are the ones who would have been ridiculed if Coyle had walked out last March with a very low compensatory settlement in there

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by thebish » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:28 am

CAPSLOCK wrote:
ratbert wrote:Surely the people (the board) who set Coyle's compensation package at £7m are the ones that want shooting, if true. Surely they'd have learned something from the Megson 'gardening leave' debacle?
These people are the ones who would have been ridiculed if Coyle had walked out last March with a very low compensatory settlement in there

Easy to be wise now
if only though.... if only Liverpool had robbed him off us back then! :wink:

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by YtarmyYtarmy » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:42 am

The problem I see with Coyle is that he was the fans choice after Megson, therefore the majority of us feel some what responsible for his being here and with that he's been given far too long to try and turn it around. That said his tactical ineptitude is head and shoulders above any managers we've had for a long time. And for me his first signs of this where @ Wembley when he played Klanic/Davies and Elmander, and we all know what happened there. Since then things have gone form very bad to worse and after last Saturdays game its a wonder why he's still in a job ! If it costs £7m to get rid surely thats better than loosing £20m/£30m when relegated ? Ok its a gamble, but I'm sure its a gamble most of us would take right now.

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by thebish » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:45 am

YtarmyYtarmy wrote:The problem I see with Coyle is that he was the fans choice after Megson, therefore the majority of us feel some what responsible for his being here and with that he's been given far too long to try and turn it around. That said his tactical ineptitude is head and shoulders above any managers we've had for a long time. And for me his first signs of this where @ Wembley when he played Klanic/Davies and Elmander, and we all know what happened there. Since then things have gone form very bad to worse and after last Saturdays game its a wonder why he's still in a job ! If it costs £7m to get rid surely thats better than loosing £20m/£30m when relegated ? Ok its a gamble, but I'm sure its a gamble most of us would take right now.
it's very easy to say when it is not actually your £7million being gambled!! :wink:

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by CrazyHorse » Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:49 am

It's not a gamble, it'd be like flushing the money down the toilet.
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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by YtarmyYtarmy » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:10 pm

thebish wrote:
YtarmyYtarmy wrote:The problem I see with Coyle is that he was the fans choice after Megson, therefore the majority of us feel some what responsible for his being here and with that he's been given far too long to try and turn it around. That said his tactical ineptitude is head and shoulders above any managers we've had for a long time. And for me his first signs of this where @ Wembley when he played Klanic/Davies and Elmander, and we all know what happened there. Since then things have gone form very bad to worse and after last Saturdays game its a wonder why he's still in a job ! If it costs £7m to get rid surely thats better than loosing £20m/£30m when relegated ? Ok its a gamble, but I'm sure its a gamble most of us would take right now.
it's very easy to say when it is not actually your £7million being gambled!! :wink:
I appreciate that, but Football's a business and the so called "money men" need to look at this kind of option. We didnt get any return on Elmander who went for nothing and IMHO because of Coyles dicking about in the summer we have lost out on a good few miilion on Cahill, the vultures will be circling in the January Sales, looking for a knock down price. I was under no illusion that we struggle this season, but not in the method we have, we all agree that the start was difficult and I thought we should judge Coyle not after the first 7 games, but the first 14, where I believe we are now in a worse position. After the next few games, January will be horrendous and it'll be too late for definate then ! He needs to go now or its Champioship here we come :(

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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by CAPSLOCK » Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:44 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:It's not a gamble, it'd be like flushing the money down the toilet.
Only a miracle can stop relegation now.
If thats the case, he shouldn't be sacked, but we don't need a miracle, we need some proper direction from the manager

We don't need a miracle, we are still in with a chance - but not with Coyle as manager
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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by Armchair Wanderer » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:10 pm

We seem to be assuming the £7M is purely compensation to OC/team.

I'm sure ED and Stuart Hall are on first name terms. What ED said to SH may have been referring to what it cost to get rid of the previous manager and hire OC. It could be compensation to OC/team + whatever we'd have to pay to another club to get their manager + agents' fees, signing on fees, wages for new manager, etc.

Stuart Hall didn't elaborate on what he meant by the £7M so this is all speculation.
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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by keveh » Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:12 pm

Whichever way it goes, we're going to spend money that we can't afford.

We're going to go the way which means we spend less money so I can't see Coyle going.
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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by Prufrock » Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:36 pm

No point selling Cahill. If he goes we've absolutely no chance. That'd be all five of our best players from last year gone, and the worst defence in the world shorn of its best member. If we're going down the £5million or whatever is only going to get used to pay off debts we can't pay off. Boom. Bust. Start again.
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Re: Already too late to sack Coyle

Post by Peter Thompson » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:37 pm

thebish wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote: I think the club as a whole have waved the White flag and given up.
really?
Totally agree - by backing Coyle the way he has Gartside has given in, accepted relegation and is already planning for next season in the championship under Coyle because with this manager and squad of players we will not stay up.

So for the rest of this season, the fans may as well not turn up....how on earth can a chairman back a manager who has lost 17 out of the last 20 league games, Gartside has been in charge for far too long, its time for him to fcuk off as well as Coyle.

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