Ten to Twelve Players

[BWFC_Insane]

We're not going to recoup anything from them. What we will have is a much, much lower level of outgoings.

As for Eddie Davies regretting Anelka. Seriously? Is that why you're find it difficult to grasp these simple mathematics?

And an even bigger drop in our incomings......

[Bruce Rioja]

We used to budget for 17th.

I'd bet the ranch that we're now running a top-6 Championship budget. Which, in a strange kind of way, is to avoid betting the ranch yet again.

We are not. Our wage bill is around 13th highest in the premiership.

We haven't signed NRC, NGog, Petrov, Tuncay and the likes on championship wages.

We fecking well should've done!

[Lord Kangana]

Not so. The parachute payments in tandem with so many high earners out of contract will substantially change the financial profile of the club.

ie, don't be expecting big names like WHU.

[Bruce Rioja]

Hmmm, maybe these Championship players like Eagles, Pratley, Mears and so on ARE part of this long term plan after all. Ah, it's all sliding into place now

[Lord Kangana]

They are though, aren't they?

[Worthy4England]

As for Eddie Davies regretting Anelka. Seriously? Is that why you're find it difficult to grasp these simple mathematics?

Indeed, that one's got me stumped too...

[Burnden Cat]

LK is absolutely spot on. What constitutes the largest part of our outgoings and, ergo, is creating the spiralling debt? Players' wages - end of. We can reduce that element of our outgoings by at least 60% by letting the 12 or so over 30s go - most of whom are coining it in as part of the 11 year Premiership legacy. This is the fastest way to redress the £110 million.

Gate receipt shortfalls as a result of dropping down a league add up to a lot less in reality. Think 22 games a year with 8,000 less through the gate each time at £25 average per game... £4,400,000 total. That's only 3 or 4 high earners' wages. But if we're top six & challenging, our gates are likely to be 16,000-18,000 anyway, so it's not even that.

As long as we come back up within the duration of the parachute payments, it makes cold, hard sense.

[CAPSLOCK]

None of which explains why the clueless twonk can't amass more than x wins from the previous 35 games

Its pitiful

Its so bad all we can argue about is whether the finances can cope with relegation

And all this while funding a squad of premier league players who look likely to break records left right and fcuking centre

[Lord Kangana]

But it does though doesn't it?

The most expensive part of this squad wasn't accrued under this management regime. Whether you think they're good enough is neither here nor there, the previous regime left them in 19th for example, but shit players+the cheap option of management= where we are.

That is, of course, if you'll finally acept that we bought some shite when we actually had some money. We can all meet halfway, if we choose to.

[BWFC_Insane]

But it does though doesn't it?

The most expensive part of this squad wasn't accrued under this management regime. Whether you think they're good enough is neither here nor there, the previous regime left them in 19th for example, but shit players+the cheap option of management= where we are.

That is, of course, if you'll finally acept that we bought some shite when we actually had some money. We can all meet halfway, if we choose to.

Who cares?

We are currently bottom of the league at Sammy Lee levels of shitness with a squad that should not be there, because we have a useless manager.

Coyle has spent a lot more than Sammy Lee did, if you want to use your argument and had far more backing all round, and we are just as bad.

He's a bad bad manager and because of him we are likely to be looking at a long long time in the wilderness.

[Lord Kangana]

I'm not interested in the broken record, I'm interested in Caps response. He spends his life trying to be a c*nt, but now and then he talks sense. I'm looking for it now. The club's f*cked. It needs its fans right now. Not for the manager, or other petty arguments. Just because.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not interested in the broken record, I'm interested in Caps response. He spends his life trying to be a c*nt, but now and then he talks sense. I'm looking for it now. The club's f*cked. It needs its fans right now. Not for the manager, or other petty arguments. Just because.

I think the sanctimonious preaching that the club need backing from the fans would be better coming from someone who didn't spend three years slagging off every decision the club made, calling for the managers and chairmans head...

I think Coyle, the club, the team etc has had fantastic backing from the fans, far more than they could expect. Coyle has said as much. Can be no complaints in that score....

[jmjhb]

When we go down, we're probably best letting them all go really. I'd keep Klasnic, LCY (both of those are probably off though) and Ricketts out of the 14 in the OP. At least then we can rebuild.

[Lord Kangana]

I've never called for the chairman's head. For the guy who spent the Kings Ransom, yes.

As I say, the strong are needed now. Perhaps you'll wanna sit this one out?

[jaffka]

I'm not interested in the broken record, I'm interested in Caps response. He spends his life trying to be a c*nt, but now and then he talks sense. I'm looking for it now. The club's f*cked. It needs its fans right now. Not for the manager, or other petty arguments. Just because.

I think the sanctimonious preaching that the club need backing from the fans would be better coming from someone who didn't spend three years slagging off every decision the club made, calling for the managers and chairmans head...

I think Coyle, the club, the team etc has had fantastic backing from the fans, far more than they could expect. Coyle has said as much. Can be no complaints in that score....

Your still posting the same drivel about things years ago, move on...

[Lord Kangana]

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[BWFC_Insane]

Have looked at the figures, currently our football incomings of 47M cover our 46M wage bill.

If we go down our football incomings will reduce to somewhere in the region of 23M and thats quite an optimistic estimate based on maintaining most of our gate receipt/merchandising revenue.

So if we halve our wage bill we will still be no better off. Looking through clubs to go down, even a 50% reduction is very ambitious in the first year. But lets say we achieve it...

We'll be no better off, and in a lower division.

As I say it gets no better from there because the money you receive drops off after the second year...

You probably have one year to come back up, hopefully leaner and better suited to running a tighter ship in the premiership.

If you don't manage it, and thats a big IF you're pretty much on a one way course to either football or financial armageddon or quite possibly both.

In short, I don't believe going down was ever the plan, or ever should be considered as anything short of disastrous.

We need to be leaner but the only way to sensibly do that is to stay up and work to make the club leaner whilst retaining top flight status...

Coyle is to blame for the short term for sure. The longer term IMO stretches right back to Allardyce's time. Great manager but we didn't put in place things then that could have let us be more self sufficient in the future. That was propagated and made worse by Megson....

[Lord Kangana]

Megson was only here 2 years.

[Prufrock]

Whatever you reckon about letting out of contract players go to better the finances, that plan would work better if we stayed up another year, even if we let them all go. Thus far right-angle head hasn't been getting enough out of the players. Yesterday was hopefully the turning point. Even if we have no money you'd expect the manager to do his best to make the most of the money we do have.....

[Lord Kangana]

That line of thought only works if we could guarantee survival. We can't. They're restructuring the finances rgardless of the football. Its got nothing to do with the football. Don't think about the football. Ignore it. The football bit.