stop subbin' muamba

[wanderers_on_tour]

Going off topic for a second...

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and you know Eagles has seen this!!

[a1]

Right OK, people have been saying this for a while and I've never been convinced it would have made much difference. So I decided to be the one to get and get all of the figures and, well, decide for yourselves!

Played 90 Minutes
W - QPR 4 - 0
W - Stoke 5 - 0
L - Fulham 2 - 0
W - Blackburn 2 - 1
D - Wolves 1 - 1
W - Everton 1 - 2
W - Liverpool 3 - 1
D - Arsenal 0 - 0

Subbed
L - Man City 2 - 3 @ 59mins - 0 conceeded
L - Liverpool 3 - 1 @ 26mins - 2 conceeded
L - Arsebal 3 - 0 @ 56mins - 2 conceeded
L - West Brom 2 - 1 @ 81mins - 0 conceeded
L - Everton 0 - 2 @ 61mins - 1 conceeded
L - Spurs 3 - 0 @ 27mins - 2 conceeded
L - Newcastle 0 - 2 @ 66mins - 2 conceeded
L - Man Utd 3 - 0 @ 80mins - 1 conceeded
L - Norwich 2 - 0 @ 57mins - 2 conceeded

Didn't play
L - Man Utd 0 - 5
L - Norwich 1 - 2
L - Chelsea 1 - 5
W - Wigan 1 - 4
L - Sunderland 0 - 2
L - Swansea 3 - 1
L - Villa 1 - 2

*bigbastardsadface*

i didnt want to do that coz i knew it were bad.

pisses me off that it's been known since at least the liverpoool away game.

after half and hour too, to make it nice and obvious the season were going to shit after about the third match of the season. possibly even the city game , there were something 'off' about that too.

but the liverpool game with liverpool's 9 midfielders to our 1 or 2. was all *siren noises*.

shit

[bobo the clown]

Good grief, that's hard to read & not cry.

I must assume (for the sake of my sanity if nothing else) that the times he went off within half an hour he'd picked up a knock). Shirley someone in the club knows this ... even if OC is too dogmatic to recognise it.


I have to stop or I'll be moving in with BWFC-i

[CAPSLOCK]

Well, Muamba wasn't injured on Saturday

I know that cos the fella sat behind Coyle in the dugout confirmed that he was as dumbfounded as us at the naivety of his boss

[bobo the clown]

Well, Muamba wasn't injured on Saturday

I know that cos the fella sat behind Coyle in the dugout confirmed that he was as dumbfounded as us at the naivety of his boss

Well, that's good to hear. At least that shows someone in some level of authority and with some access to his ear can see it.

So theree is SOME chance he has heard that everyone .... fckg everyone ... thinks he's a twunk for this.

[Sherlock Bones]

Right OK, people have been saying this for a while and I've never been convinced it would have made much difference. So I decided to be the one to get and get all of the figures and, well, decide for yourselves!

Played 90 Minutes
W - QPR 4 - 0
W - Stoke 5 - 0
L - Fulham 2 - 0
W - Blackburn 2 - 1
D - Wolves 1 - 1
W - Everton 1 - 2
W - Liverpool 3 - 1
D - Arsenal 0 - 0

Subbed
L - Man City 2 - 3 @ 59mins - 0 conceeded
L - Liverpool 3 - 1 @ 26mins - 2 conceeded
L - Arsebal 3 - 0 @ 56mins - 2 conceeded
L - West Brom 2 - 1 @ 81mins - 0 conceeded
L - Everton 0 - 2 @ 61mins - 1 conceeded
L - Spurs 3 - 0 @ 27mins - 2 conceeded
L - Newcastle 0 - 2 @ 66mins - 2 conceeded
L - Man Utd 3 - 0 @ 80mins - 1 conceeded
L - Norwich 2 - 0 @ 57mins - 2 conceeded

Didn't play
L - Man Utd 0 - 5
L - Norwich 1 - 2
L - Chelsea 1 - 5
W - Wigan 1 - 4
L - Sunderland 0 - 2
L - Swansea 3 - 1
L - Villa 1 - 2

I intend this on being my only post, but it's a doozy

I’ve looked into this (you tapped into my inner statto) and it’s not quite as cut and dry as you might think.

In fact, before this season, Coyle has never lost points by substituting Muamba. Newcastle and Norwich are the two stand out occasions, and are still quite fresh in the mind.

It might hint that he’s more important to the current system than he might have been in a 4-4-2, though.

The overall points swing (bearing in mind he’s been substituted 37 times under Coyle and more than anyone else) is actually +5.

The overall goals swing during that time is 12-26 (-14) – i.e. after falling into a losing position, we’ve often gone on to get a heavier beating.

Interesting, eh?

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Post more!

(over time)

[ohjimmyjimmy]

That's not to say i would always disagree entirely with him being subbed for attacking purposes i.e. chasing a game, but it has to be at the right time and with the right re-shuffle.

[BWFC_Insane]

People are getting confused that this is about Muamba per se.

Its not.

Its that in the premiership whatever system you play you need a ball winner, preferably a mobile athletic one.

Muamba is a ball winner. As is Holden. Last season when Muamba was subbed or left out, Holden could compensate to an extent.

Now Muamba is the only true ball winner we have. Therefore when he's not in the side or is taken off we're wide open.

Really is that simple.

[Bruce Rioja]

People are getting confused that this is about Muamba per se.

Its not.

Its that in the premiership whatever system you play you need a ball winner, preferably a mobile athletic one.

Muamba is a ball winner. As is Holden. Last season when Muamba was subbed or left out, Holden could compensate to an extent.

Now Muamba is the only true ball winner we have. Therefore when he's not in the side or is taken off we're wide open.

Really is that simple.

Dunno. NRC can win the ball, but does little with it. Holden can do both.

[BWFC_Insane]

People are getting confused that this is about Muamba per se.

Its not.

Its that in the premiership whatever system you play you need a ball winner, preferably a mobile athletic one.

Muamba is a ball winner. As is Holden. Last season when Muamba was subbed or left out, Holden could compensate to an extent.

Now Muamba is the only true ball winner we have. Therefore when he's not in the side or is taken off we're wide open.

Really is that simple.

Dunno. NRC can win the ball, but does little with it. Holden can do both.

Don't get me wrong Holden is more than a ballwinner. But IIRC he at one point last season was the top tackler in the premiership...

Muamba wasn't far off either.

NRC is more of a "water carrier" for me, yes he wins the ball back but he's a real up and downer, covers every blade type. Against Norwich both he and Davies were caught up the pitch, too high, when Muamba went off.

Muamba and Holden are players that IMO harrass the opposition, press them, and can win it back.

When we have neither in the side we struggle. IMO at least...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

[Bruce Rioja]

Stuff

Gigs, young man. When are your lot next in the area?

[malcd1]

Coyle's positive way of thinking is to always throw caution to wind if we are losing. We may as well lose 3-0 having a go than 1-0 not trying. (Unlike Megson defending 2-0 when we are losing - Goal difference and all that). Think Blackpool last season at home when 2-0 down and he went for it.

My problem is he sometimes throws caution to the wind when we are drawing. A draw is better than a loss and sometimes he 'goes for it' a little bit more often than he should.

[Sponge]

Fabrice: if you're reading this, please pin those statistics to Coyle's office door.

[Ianmooreslovechild]

The thing with "going for it" is it makes the assumption that in a game of attack v defence at two ends our attack will outscore the oppositions(like what Brazil used to do) The flaw in this idea is that we are not brazil and most teams have better attackers and defenders than us and in an open game will cane us. Nothing wrong with throwing the dice late on if we're getting beat and show no sign of getting back in the game but stupid in most other scenarios

[boltonboris]

Muamba HAS read this by the way. Keveh sent him the link on Twitter. He then followed Keveh back after seeing it.

[TKIZ!]

Fabrice, if you're reading this fella, we at TW think you should play the full 90. We win games when you play and we have the stats to back it up

[thebish]

this is the kind of thread where TW t-shirt ideas are forged!!

DON'T SUB THE MOO!

[Lord Kangana]

Its gotta be an Inspiral Carpets rip-off, like Safe as F*ck with the moo.