Signings

[ratters]

Coyle has made yet more mediocre signings, Andrews and Mears, to go with the others like Pratley, Ngog and Reo-Coker, who cost us our Premier League place last year.

Coyle is being allowed to build a mediocre Championship side and spend our scarce money on journeymen players.

What happened to the scouting set up which brought Djorkaeff, Okocha, Diouff, Ngotty, Jaidi et al to Bolton. Coyle has only brought Alonso from overseas and he is not good enough and will probably be in prison!

Sam always knew you needed class in the Prem but Coyle seems ignorant of this. Prepare to be a yo-yo team at best.

[BWFC_Insane]

Ermm I agree about Coyle's signings last year.

However, how many of those players did Allardyce sign when we were in the championship?

And perhaps looking at Allardyces championship signings would be more revealing....

[TKIZ!]

This is an old argument and to be fair to Coyle he can only try and sign players that are willing to play in the Championship. I think the signings so far of Mills, Andrews are the type of players that we need. Mills could and should work well with Ream and Andrews is the type of midfielder that we lacked last season.

[BL3]

Coyle is being allowed to build a mediocre Championship side and spend our scarce money on journeymen players.

Coyle is working within the budget he has been given. It might have escaped your attention but we are no longer paying the wages that brought the likes of Okocha, Djorkaeff, etc, to the club. As for building a 'mediocre' Championship side, we have got one of the best, if not the best squad in the league.

Sam always knew you needed class in the Prem but Coyle seems ignorant of this. Prepare to be a yo-yo team at best.

Who signed Wilshere and Sturridge?

[Lord Kangana]

Indeedy. We are, as they say, where we are.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Coyle has made yet more mediocre signings, Andrews and Mears, to go with the others like Pratley, Ngog and Reo-Coker, who cost us our Premier League place last year.

You've only just noticed him?

Coyle is being allowed to build a mediocre Championship side and spend our scarce money on journeymen players.

Which international midfielder would you have recommended on a free? Take your time.

What happened to the scouting set up which brought Djorkaeff, Okocha, Diouff, Ngotty, Jaidi et al to Bolton.

Ask Allardyce; working for West Ham?

Coyle has only brought Alonso from overseas

Well, apart from Stuart Holden. Unless we've marked American Independence Day by reclaiming the land?

Sam always knew you needed class in the Prem{...}

...like Oscar Perez, John-Gope Fenepej, Mario Espartero...

{...}but Coyle seems ignorant of this.

You honestly think he doesn't know you need "class" in the Prem?

[BWFC_Insane]

I bet our wage bill is higher than when we signed Okocha etc...

However, 2 factors, 1 is 'football inflation' increasing the wages of all players, so equivalent players command more.

The other is that Allardyce tapped into a market that barely exists anymore if at all.

[Lord Kangana]

Yes, I bet it is higher than 10 years ago. I bet its lower than say 3 ,though.

[BL3]

I bet our wage bill is higher than when we signed Okocha etc...

However, 2 factors, 1 is 'football inflation' increasing the wages of all players, so equivalent players command more.

The other is that Allardyce tapped into a market that barely exists anymore if at all.

Okocha was on around £60K a week and that was the best part of ten years ago. I doubt we're paying anyone that sort of money any more.

[Jez]

I am also outraged at these signings

If Coyle thinks signing players of a proven mid table - high level championship level on cheap deals for positions where we've lost players to injuries and non renewals is a good idea, the man needs to get his head checked.

we need to be looking more in the direction of football masterminds venkys and steve kean. signing 36 year old stars of the 90s on multiple year deals for a big cash swan song is the smart way to get promoted.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

My sarcasm monitor is going haywire here.

[Worthy4England]

Who signed Wilshere and Sturridge?

That would be Arsenal and Chelsea.

We borrowed them for a short while.

[BL3]

Who signed Wilshere and Sturridge?

That would be Arsenal and Chelsea.

We borrowed them for a short while.

Well done on completely missing the point. They could have gone elsewhere but they chose to come to Bolton, because our manager, who apparently wouldn't know 'class' if it bit him on the arse, persuaded them to join us.

[Worthy4England]

Who signed Wilshere and Sturridge?

That would be Arsenal and Chelsea.

We borrowed them for a short while.

Well done on completely missing the point. They could have gone elsewhere but they chose to come to Bolton, because our manager, who apparently wouldn't know 'class' if it bit him on the arse, persuaded them to join us.

Likewise yourself. The OP seemed to be referring to the class we have within our squad as a result of Coyle signings.

Last time I looked, neither Wilshere nor Sturridge were in our squad?

Have I missed something?

[BL3]

Who signed Wilshere and Sturridge?

That would be Arsenal and Chelsea.

We borrowed them for a short while.

Well done on completely missing the point. They could have gone elsewhere but they chose to come to Bolton, because our manager, who apparently wouldn't know 'class' if it bit him on the arse, persuaded them to join us.

Likewise yourself. The OP seemed to be referring to the class we have within our squad as a result of Coyle signings.

Last time I looked, neither Wilshere nor Sturridge were in our squad?

Have I missed something?

Yes. The examples of Sturridge and Wilshere were in response to the OP's comments about how Allardyce 'always knew you needed class in the Prem but Coyle seems ignorant of this'. We signed... sorry, 'borrowed', both of those players when we were in the Premier League, so obviously Coyle did know that we needed 'class' when we were in the Prem. Probably helps if you actually read the thread properly.

[Bruce Rioja]

Yes. The examples of Sturridge and Wilshere were in response to the OP's comments about how Allardyce 'always knew you needed class in the Prem but Coyle seems ignorant of this'. We signed... sorry, 'borrowed', both of those players when we were in the Premier League, so obviously Coyle did know that we needed 'class' when we were in the Prem. Probably helps if you actually read the thread properly.

But did Coyle actually know them to be class when he brought them in or did it just transpire that they were/are? I mean, how would you then explain us 'borrowing' Weiss, Kakuta and Boyata - all of whom were a waste of space?

[Worthy4England]

Who signed Wilshere and Sturridge?

That would be Arsenal and Chelsea.

We borrowed them for a short while.

Well done on completely missing the point. They could have gone elsewhere but they chose to come to Bolton, because our manager, who apparently wouldn't know 'class' if it bit him on the arse, persuaded them to join us.

Likewise yourself. The OP seemed to be referring to the class we have within our squad as a result of Coyle signings.

Last time I looked, neither Wilshere nor Sturridge were in our squad?

Have I missed something?

Yes. The examples of Sturridge and Wilshere were in response to the OP's comments about how Allardyce 'always knew you needed class in the Prem but Coyle seems ignorant of this'. We signed... sorry, 'borrowed', both of those players when we were in the Premier League, so obviously Coyle did know that we needed 'class' when we were in the Prem. Probably helps if you actually read the thread properly.

I read the thread properly. I'd explain it to you, but fear it would be wasted effort.

Allardyce went and signed class players - they were ours, no one elses, so he could plan to build around them, knowing they'd be here more than 3 months. Coyle hasn't - he's borrowed some (and borrowed plenty who weren't class or didn't show much of it whilst they were with us). Can't plan around them as he/we never know if they're going to come back for a second go. So far none have returned as far as I can recall?

Maybe if he added some class at the expense of mediocre volume signings, we might get somewhere.

Alongside that he's signed an abundance of mediocrity - which are our assets.

[BL3]

Yes. The examples of Sturridge and Wilshere were in response to the OP's comments about how Allardyce 'always knew you needed class in the Prem but Coyle seems ignorant of this'. We signed... sorry, 'borrowed', both of those players when we were in the Premier League, so obviously Coyle did know that we needed 'class' when we were in the Prem. Probably helps if you actually read the thread properly.

But did Coyle actually know them to be class when he brought them in or did it just transpire that they were/are? I mean, how would you then explain us 'borrowing' Weiss, Kakuta and Boyata - all of whom were a waste of space?

Seeing as how there were a queue of clubs trying to take both players on loan, i'd say it was common knowledge that they were class. We tried to get both Sturridge and Wilshere back for a second spell, neither Arsenal or Chelsea would loan them back to us because they'd improved so much whilst on loan, that they were now considered part of the first team squads of both those clubs. As for the other examples you've given. You might as well cite some of the flops that Fergie's signed as 'evidence' that he hasn't got a clue.

[Bruce Rioja]

Yes. The examples of Sturridge and Wilshere were in response to the OP's comments about how Allardyce 'always knew you needed class in the Prem but Coyle seems ignorant of this'. We signed... sorry, 'borrowed', both of those players when we were in the Premier League, so obviously Coyle did know that we needed 'class' when we were in the Prem. Probably helps if you actually read the thread properly.

But did Coyle actually know them to be class when he brought them in or did it just transpire that they were/are? I mean, how would you then explain us 'borrowing' Weiss, Kakuta and Boyata - all of whom were a waste of space?

Seeing as how there were a queue of clubs trying to take both players on loan, i'd say it was common knowledge that they were class. We tried to get both Sturridge and Wilshere back for a second spell, neither Arsenal or Chelsea would loan them back to us because they'd improved so much whilst on loan, that they were now considered part of the first team squads of both those clubs. As for the other examples you've given. You might as well cite some of the flops that Fergie's signed as 'evidence' that he hasn't got a clue.

Where am I suggesting he, or indeed anyone, has or hasn't a clue? I merely asked you for your opinion on something, that's all.

[CAPSLOCK]

Owens a bit touchy, isn't he