Burnley vs Bolton

[Tombwfc]

I expect the board would be assessing the situation ten games in and if it's not good theyd be seeing what might be available.

Good job that Reading didn't do that last season. They had a total of ten points from the first ten games...

I'm fairly sure Brian McDermott hadn't just taken Reading down, claimed that anything but promotion was a failure or had one of the top three highest wage budgets in the league. It also doesn't take into account the number of teams with ten points from ten games who didn't go on to get promoted.

10 games is generous, to say the least. Though I'd bet that by then there will be another excuse for why it's going so badly, and how really you can't judge Coyle yet (tough fixtures, injuries).

[BL3]

I'm fairly sure Brian McDermott hadn't just taken Reading down, claimed that anything but promotion was a failure or had one of the top three highest wage budgets in the league.

I'm 'fairly sure' promotion isn't decided after the first game of the season, or even the first ten games.

[Tombwfc]

I'm fairly sure Brian McDermott hadn't just taken Reading down, claimed that anything but promotion was a failure or had one of the top three highest wage budgets in the league.

I'm 'fairly sure' promotion isn't decided after the first game of the season, or even the first ten games.

What, in your opinion, would be a reasonable amount of time to ascertain if we're going to get promoted this season?

[truewhite15]

I'm fairly sure Brian McDermott hadn't just taken Reading down, claimed that anything but promotion was a failure or had one of the top three highest wage budgets in the league.

I'm 'fairly sure' promotion isn't decided after the first game of the season, or even the first ten games.

No, it's not. But you're given a half decent idea. As far as I'm aware, teams don't tend to start badly with the same manager that played badly last season, and get promoted while carrying that same manager.

[truewhite15]

I'm fairly sure Brian McDermott hadn't just taken Reading down, claimed that anything but promotion was a failure or had one of the top three highest wage budgets in the league.

I'm 'fairly sure' promotion isn't decided after the first game of the season, or even the first ten games.

What, in your opinion, would be a reasonable amount of time to ascertain if we're going to get promoted this season?

Probably around Christmas, I expect. At which point it will, of course, already be far too fecking late.

[Worthy4England]

I expect the board would be assessing the situation ten games in and if it's not good theyd be seeing what might be available.

Good job that Reading didn't do that last season. They had a total of ten points from the first ten games...

It's not really a strong arguement is it?

It's a stronger argument than wanting to get rid of the manager after one whole game in this division. Allardyce said it took West Ham time to adjust last season. In fact you could argue that West Ham took virtually the whole season to get to grips with the Championship and they were the only team relegated who bounced straight back. Perhaps people need to adjust their perceptions of the Championship.

Allardyce hadn't been utterly incapable and shite there and failed for the last 18 months though.

Coyles time was long overdue last November. He'd already had more than enough chances then.

Folk like you said 'it'll be reet' it wasn't. It was a massive and total shambolic disaster thanks to Coyle.

And it carries on.

I dunno - I generally try to look at 38 game averages rather than 6 games here or 8 games there.

Allardyce had a low of 33 points in the 38 game spread from game 15 in our second season in the Prem backwards - 2-0 defeat at City.

Allardyce's high was 70 points in the 2005/6 season - game 21 strangely enough a 2-0 win against City.

Overall Allardyce had a 51 point average across any 38 games whilst he was with us.

Megson had a low of 34 points and a high of 48 - his average was 41.8

Coyle had a high of 53 points - the game after the FA Cup and a low of 30. It never got above 36 from game 13 last season - his average was 40.48 - so lower than Megson's, who only ducked below 36 points once whilst he was in charge.

[Martin_Cruise]

I'm fairly sure Brian McDermott hadn't just taken Reading down, claimed that anything but promotion was a failure or had one of the top three highest wage budgets in the league.

I'm 'fairly sure' promotion isn't decided after the first game of the season, or even the first ten games.

No, it's not. But you're given a half decent idea. As far as I'm aware, teams don't tend to start badly with the same manager that played badly last season, and get promoted while carrying that same manager.

Bolton's experienced pros were promoted carrying Colin Todd after his first relegation and it wasn't exactly a great first match. 1-1 with Port Vale

[officer_dibble]

We looked fit at least v port vale i bet...cant remember now

we were knackered after 30.mins yesterday - shambles of a pre season!

[Worthy4England]

We looked fit at least v port vale i bet...cant remember now

we were knackered after 30.mins yesterday - shambles of a pre season!

Doubly disappointing when we were told that the pre-season was "all about fitness"

[Tombwfc]

I'm fairly sure Brian McDermott hadn't just taken Reading down, claimed that anything but promotion was a failure or had one of the top three highest wage budgets in the league.

I'm 'fairly sure' promotion isn't decided after the first game of the season, or even the first ten games.

What, in your opinion, would be a reasonable amount of time to ascertain if we're going to get promoted this season?

Probably around Christmas, I expect. At which point it will, of course, already be far too fecking late.

I would guarantee if he's still here at that point, there will be someone who'll drag out the fact that Crystal Palace were 20th on Boxing Day the year they got promoted under Dowie. If it happened to someone, somewhere, it's apparently also going to happen to us. All available evidence be damned. Why sack a manager ever?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Bolton's experienced pros were promoted carrying Colin Todd after his first relegation and it wasn't exactly a great first match. 1-1 with Port Vale

You really think the players 'carried' Todd that season, and that he didn't deserve any refit at all for 100 goals and 98 points? Regardless of Todd's failings thereafter, that's an incredibly harsh judgement...

[hi there, i'm chris]

I seem to remember Per Frandsen and Michael Johansen being two of our best players. Not sure how they, being new to England, could be credited with carrying Colin Todd.

[Andy Waller]

Cannon-ball goal kicks and balls banged randomly and much of the time with not much accuracy into the opposition half, hopefully to one man wandering about on his own, just will not work. How many decent teams do it? Did Bogdan throw the ball to a Bolton player once today? If he did I must have missed it. We need football, not hoof ball.

A slight aside, and I wouldn't want to see him at our place, but did any of you see Paddy Kenny's ball out to the winger yesterday for him to cross it in for Becchio's goal? Absolutely outstanding. From Leeds' 'keeper to the back of the Wolves net in about eight seconds. Nowt wrong with going long when there's a plan attached.

Boggers did manage to throw it out for a throw in for them though..

[Andy Waller]

Can you lock this thread to the people who actually paid to watch that crap? It's ok saying give it a few games but I and everybody else in that stand paid £30 plus travel to see that rubbish. Coyle seems a decent fella but when you get turned over by Burnley, there has to be something seriously wrong. Burnley were so much faster forwards and got back very quickly too. Their centrebacks didn't break sweat, the midfield just soaked everything we had up and they had busy strikers. Totally outplayed by a side that finished 13th in the league last season. It's pathetic.

[bobo the clown]

No one, not even the biggest fan, coud have wanted a Bolton win more than Coyle. Not only is it his job, not only a chance to show it was turned around after last year ... But against his old club and the fans who now despise him.

... & that was his best shot at it.

Even he must see that it was a poor effort.

[boltonboris]

But yet again it's all the players' fault.

He genuinely doesn't see that his decisions are what is costing us. That's the most worrying thing.

[BWFC_Insane]

But yet again it's all the players' fault.

He genuinely doesn't see that his decisions are what is costing us. That's the most worrying thing.

I honestly think he "sees it".

For me, the reason he doesn't want to change is because the only thing that is keeping him (in the media's eyes) above the likes of Dowie and Bothroyd etc is that he has a reputation for "attacking teams" and "good football".

If he switched from that and it didn't work then it'd be career over.

Sadly as it is, its probably career over either way!

[bwfc]

Coyle needs to go

tactics what tactics?

I was sat in that stand for the first time since I booed Megson off. We were poor that day in 2009 but it has to be said at least Megson knew what he was trying to do and had a game plan, and if it didn't work he had a back up. Controversial? no not really, we were played off the park in that game as well in the first half but Megson changed and tweeked and grabbed a draw...and that was under immense pressure from the fans. It wasn't pretty but it was effective. He outthought Coyle that day and as we all know now thats not too difficult to do.

Coyle was lost on Saturday he didn't know what to do, he sent on the usual Arsenal loanee and the winger who can make things happen and change the game. He then brought on Pratley, no change in shape, no plan just change players and hope for the best.

As I sat in that stand at the end of the game it was much much worse than 2 and a half years ago, its strange how reality has a way of smacking you in the face, in that short time we now find ourselves in the Championship beaten by a team who suppsoedly have nowhere near the same resources (according to Coyle) and we are again booing the manager off the pitch.

And just to add salt to the wound according to the lads in the pub this weekends game was the 46th since the semi final.

28 out of those 46 games have been lost.

[Worthy4England]

Coyle needs to go

tactics what tactics?

I was sat in that stand for the first time since I booed Megson off. We were poor that day in 2009 but it has to be said at least Megson knew what he was trying to do and had a game plan, and if it didn't work he had a back up. Controversial? no not really, we were played off the park in that game as well in the first half but Megson changed and tweeked and grabbed a draw...and that was under immense pressure from the fans. It wasn't pretty but it was effective. He outthought Coyle that day and as we all know now thats not too difficult to do.

Coyle was lost on Saturday he didn't know what to do, he sent on the usual Arsenal loanee and the winger who can make things happen and change the game. He then brought on Pratley, no change in shape, no plan just change players and hope for the best.

As I sat in that stand at the end of the game it was much much worse than 2 and a half years ago, its strange how reality has a way of smacking you in the face, in that short time we now find ourselves in the Championship beaten by a team who suppsoedly have nowhere near the same resources (according to Coyle) and we are again booing the manager off the pitch.

And just to add salt to the wound according to the lads in the pub this weekends game was the 46th since the semi final.

28 out of those 46 games have been lost.

That's correct, but we didn't have too many draws - 11 wins, 7 draws.

[bwfc]

"That's correct, but we didn't have too many draws - 11 wins, 7 draws."

Ha Ha Ha

Are you serious???????