owen out 2012/2013

[CAPSLOCK]

The kind of professional we've just pissed 2.5 million quid on

[BWFC_Insane]

It's not even a relaxed approach. It's an indifferent who gives a feck approach. How the hell do you pay out 2.5 mil on someone then leave them dumped in a hotel eating burgers and going nuts. Thats blindingly short sighted.

conversely... what kind of professional sets off to a new country to play football as a professional in one of the most prestigious leagues in the world... and sits on his arse eating burgers and KFC??

How many young blokes in their early twenties when going to work in a new country wouldn't do that?

Especially ones who probably have less education than most and are earning vast sums of money?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It's not even a relaxed approach. It's an indifferent who gives a feck approach. How the hell do you pay out 2.5 mil on someone then leave them dumped in a hotel eating burgers and going nuts. Thats blindingly short sighted.

conversely... what kind of professional sets off to a new country to play football as a professional in one of the most prestigious leagues in the world... and sits on his arse eating burgers and KFC??

How many young blokes in their early twenties when going to work in a new country wouldn't do that? Especially ones who probably have less education than most and are earning vast sums of money?

Ones whose career relies on optimum physical fitness?

[thebish]

It's not even a relaxed approach. It's an indifferent who gives a feck approach. How the hell do you pay out 2.5 mil on someone then leave them dumped in a hotel eating burgers and going nuts. Thats blindingly short sighted.

conversely... what kind of professional sets off to a new country to play football as a professional in one of the most prestigious leagues in the world... and sits on his arse eating burgers and KFC??

How many young blokes in their early twenties when going to work in a new country wouldn't do that?

those who set off in order to play football professionally in one of the most prestigious leagues in the world??

as I have said before - don't worry - spreading some blame about for behaviour does NOT dilute your anti-coyle agenda - MORE THAN ONE thing can be wrong at the same time and MORE THAN ONE PERSON can shoulder some responsibility...

also - how does "earning vast amounts of money" relate to eating KFC and McDonalds - I'm missing that causal link...

[ohjimmyjimmy]

It's not even a relaxed approach. It's an indifferent who gives a feck approach. How the hell do you pay out 2.5 mil on someone then leave them dumped in a hotel eating burgers and going nuts. Thats blindingly short sighted.

conversely... what kind of professional sets off to a new country to play football as a professional in one of the most prestigious leagues in the world... and sits on his arse eating burgers and KFC??

How many young blokes in their early twenties when going to work in a new country wouldn't do that?

those who set off in order to play football professionally in one of the most prestigious leagues in the world??

as I have said before - don't worry - spreading some blame about for behaviour does NOT dilute your anti-coyle agenda - MORE THAN ONE thing can be wrong at the same time and MORE THAN ONE PERSON can shoulder some responsibility...

also - how does "earning vast amounts of money" relate to eating KFC and McDonalds - I'm missing that causal link...

I did wonder about that too.

All those young dot com millionaires sitting round Maccy Ds of a saturday night with their teenage council estate girlfriends, trying to blend in.

[Tombwfc]

Ream's clearly got his own responsibility to take, as was said in the thread about it at the time, he can speak the language. He's not moved to Russia.

It does show how this 'no excuses' environment has fallen away though. If you're a football manager and your reputation and career in some way depends on this bloke you've just signed, surely you'd do everything possible to make sure he settles properly?

[thebish]

Ream's clearly got his own responsibility to take, as was said in the thread about it at the time, he can speak the language. He's not moved to Russia.

It does show how this 'no excuses' environment has fallen away though. If you're a football manager and your reputation and career in some way depends on this bloke you've just signed, surely you'd do everything possible to make sure he settles properly?

yeah - indeed - both are to blame - and Ream looks like a tosser (IMO) for saying all he was capable of doing was eating KFC and burgers if someone didn't suggest he did otherwise...

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Ream's clearly got his own responsibility to take, as was said in the thread about it at the time, he can speak the language. He's not moved to Russia.

It does show how this 'no excuses' environment has fallen away though. If you're a football manager and your reputation and career in some way depends on this bloke you've just signed, surely you'd do everything possible to make sure he settles properly?

yeah - indeed - both are to blame - and Ream looks like a tosser (IMO) for saying all he was capable of doing was eating KFC and burgers if someone didn't suggest he did otherwise...

It's a cultural thing... he recognised that you could 'eat' a Big Mac, whereas he had no idea what Greggs does, that might be a sock shop if you're American.

[bobo the clown]

Ream's clearly got his own responsibility to take, as was said in the thread about it at the time, he can speak the language. He's not moved to Russia.

It does show how this 'no excuses' environment has fallen away though. If you're a football manager and your reputation and career in some way depends on this bloke you've just signed, surely you'd do everything possible to make sure he settles properly?

yeah - indeed - both are to blame - and Ream looks like a tosser (IMO) for saying all he was capable of doing was eating KFC and burgers if someone didn't suggest he did otherwise...

It's a cultural thing... he recognised that you could 'eat' a Big Mac, whereas he had no idea what Greggs does, that might be a sock shop if you're American.

tbf ... & arguing against my old logic that we ought to have looked after him better (which we ought) .... he was in a hotel .... with a restaurant (albeit failing it's hygene cert.). He has an American style diner-food place across the road, various other fast food places he had to pass to get to Nando's and the cold and hot food sections at Asda (OK, point taken) and Tesco's.

Plus a Greenhalgh's half a mile away, so long as he didn't ask for Meat & Potato pie. An excellent few Indian & Chinese take-aways & a googly number of Chippies. Horwich has a very broad range of restaurants too.

So .... with good (if American) English, more money than he's ever dreamt of and the ability to ask for a taxi .... there was no reason for any issues.

That there were issues was partly his owen (sic. I did, genuinely, type this !!) fault, therefore.

But that we were not dealing with them was the clubs.




Oh .... & it was castigated. I looked.

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Ream's clearly got his own responsibility to take, as was said in the thread about it at the time, he can speak the language. He's not moved to Russia.

It does show how this 'no excuses' environment has fallen away though. If you're a football manager and your reputation and career in some way depends on this bloke you've just signed, surely you'd do everything possible to make sure he settles properly?

yeah - indeed - both are to blame - and Ream looks like a tosser (IMO) for saying all he was capable of doing was eating KFC and burgers if someone didn't suggest he did otherwise...

It's a cultural thing... he recognised that you could 'eat' a Big Mac, whereas he had no idea what Greggs does, that might be a sock shop if you're American.

Put me in the middle of a town, in a country i've never been to before, where i dont speak the language...and i will be able to recognise a supermarket when i see one.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Ream's clearly got his own responsibility to take, as was said in the thread about it at the time, he can speak the language. He's not moved to Russia.

It does show how this 'no excuses' environment has fallen away though. If you're a football manager and your reputation and career in some way depends on this bloke you've just signed, surely you'd do everything possible to make sure he settles properly?

yeah - indeed - both are to blame - and Ream looks like a tosser (IMO) for saying all he was capable of doing was eating KFC and burgers if someone didn't suggest he did otherwise...

It's a cultural thing... he recognised that you could 'eat' a Big Mac, whereas he had no idea what Greggs does, that might be a sock shop if you're American.

Put me in the middle of a town, in a country i've never been to before, where i dont speak the language...and i will be able to recognise a supermarket when i see one.

Now you're being obtuse. He wandered around Tesco's obviously but couldn't find any forty eight ounce steaks!

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Ah but wasn't he in a hotel, as opposed to self-catering? No breadboard nor nowt.

[Lost Leopard Spot]

Ah but wasn't he in a hotel, as opposed to self-catering? No breadboard nor nowt.

You got me there.

[boltonboris]

Ah but wasn't he in a hotel, as opposed to self-catering? No breadboard nor nowt.

He's probably earning 10k per week. He could've moved into a rented flat 2/3 days after arriving into the country. Ream has NO excuses for not looking after himself properly. Manchester is a 25 minute train ride, or 25 minutes in a rental car. There's a million and 1 apartments to rent there. Or alternatively hotels that will cater for your every need dietary or socially.

Maybe he's just a Mollycoddled soft arse, with no concept of being an independent bloke

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Well, he had just got married...

[thebish]

I bet Nat Lofthouse didn't need his arse wiping for him by some club official...

[BWFC_Insane]

It's not even a relaxed approach. It's an indifferent who gives a feck approach. How the hell do you pay out 2.5 mil on someone then leave them dumped in a hotel eating burgers and going nuts. Thats blindingly short sighted.

conversely... what kind of professional sets off to a new country to play football as a professional in one of the most prestigious leagues in the world... and sits on his arse eating burgers and KFC??

How many young blokes in their early twenties when going to work in a new country wouldn't do that?

those who set off in order to play football professionally in one of the most prestigious leagues in the world??

as I have said before - don't worry - spreading some blame about for behaviour does NOT dilute your anti-coyle agenda - MORE THAN ONE thing can be wrong at the same time and MORE THAN ONE PERSON can shoulder some responsibility...

also - how does "earning vast amounts of money" relate to eating KFC and McDonalds - I'm missing that causal link...

Nobody is taking away the personal responsibility. Look at Diouf, no matter how much mentoring and how many 'liaison officers he had available' to help him he still went off the rails from time to time here.

Players of course should be professional.

However, if a company had an asset, in this case a 2.5M employee arriving in the country, I'd expect them to do everything in their power to settle that employee down and ensure that they had the right environment and had everything available for them to perform in their job as well as possible.

Clearly individual responsibility is the ultimate factor as shown in Diouf's case.

But if you're dumped in a hotel room somewhere and just left to get on with it....I'm genuinely not surprised. Having worked abroad myself, and at a relatively young age, for the first few weeks, you really do feel "completely out of the loop".

And for all his faults, Ream doesn't strike me as a totally unprofessional arse, determined to do what he wants......

[BWFC_Insane]

I bet Nat Lofthouse didn't need his arse wiping for him by some club official...

And I bet Ream doesn't light up a ciggie in the dressing room.......

[ohjimmyjimmy]

Ream? Puff?

[Bruce Rioja]

Put me in the middle of a town, in a country i've never been to before, where i dont speak the language...and i will be able to recognise a supermarket when i see one.

Exactly this. I find myself in all manner of places and have never once struggled to find a plate of decent food.