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because KD is a very healthy bloke who has put in the extra hours and therefore can survive throwing his body about week in week out, oh and on a seperate note he is a hard bastardthebish wrote:bwfcdan94 wrote:holden, CYL, wheater and alonso have all had long term injuries since coyle came yet i can not recall one player under any of our previous managers being injured for such a long term.
you're joking, surely?? surely you remember Ricardo - he's only just left!! and - if you want further ago - Peter Reid broke his leg TWICE whilst at Bolton...
My post wasn't specifically aimed at you - to be honest I had not bothered to read your post beyond the first line... the thread asks are we unlucky or is there a problem with our medical staff... any club with lots of injuries might ask the same question - hence my list...
if there was a massive problem - then how does KD keep going at his age?? (recently playing 3 games in a week?)
The above post is complete bollox/garbage/nonsense, please point this out to me at any and every occasion possible.
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TANGODANCER wrote:The S.A.S don't do darts, ping-pong or crossbar challenge . More medicine balls, rucksacks full of bricks and Winter Hill would be far more effective where being fit is the issue.
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owen coyle is hoping ngog will start on tuesday (from an interview this morning) although i wouldnt count on not seeing him
The above post is complete bollox/garbage/nonsense, please point this out to me at any and every occasion possible.
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yep in tangoes corner on that point get em doing cross country and weights skd hasent become the lump of muscle he is by playing ping pongohjimmyjimmy wrote:TANGODANCER wrote:The S.A.S don't do darts, ping-pong or crossbar challenge . More medicine balls, rucksacks full of bricks and Winter Hill would be far more effective where being fit is the issue.
The above post is complete bollox/garbage/nonsense, please point this out to me at any and every occasion possible.
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What bit have I invented?boltonboris wrote:Chiropractitioners do feck' wonders. Lets not start inventing things to hit the staff with now.
I would recommend you read up on what Chiropractic is and what they claim they can do by manipulating backs.
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Took you long enough to catch onTANGODANCER wrote:The S.A.S don't do darts, ping-pong or crossbar challenge . More medicine balls, rucksacks full of bricks and Winter Hill would be far more effective where being fit is the issue.
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You've invented a new reason to bash the manager.Apathy wrote:What bit have I invented?boltonboris wrote:Chiropractitioners do feck' wonders. Lets not start inventing things to hit the staff with now.
I would recommend you read up on what Chiropractic is and what they claim they can do by manipulating backs.
Kinesiology isn't proven to work.. Every club and country in the world use it.
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Virtually everyone I know reads their stars - it's still a bunch of bollocks.boltonboris wrote:You've invented a new reason to bash the manager.Apathy wrote:What bit have I invented?boltonboris wrote:Chiropractitioners do feck' wonders. Lets not start inventing things to hit the staff with now.
I would recommend you read up on what Chiropractic is and what they claim they can do by manipulating backs.
Kinesiology isn't proven to work.. Every club and country in the world use it.
What next homeopathy?
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He wouldn't be eligible to join the SASLost Leopard Spot wrote:I agree, what we need is for N'gog to be able to strip and rebuild an L7A2 general purpose machine gun in under thirty seconds without losing any fingers. And be prepared to use it on the opposition.TANGODANCER wrote:The S.A.S don't do darts, ping-pong or crossbar challenge . More medicine balls, rucksacks full of bricks and Winter Hill would be far more effective where being fit is the issue.
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Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Virtually everyone I know reads their stars - it's still a bunch of bollocks.boltonboris wrote:You've invented a new reason to bash the manager.Apathy wrote:What bit have I invented?boltonboris wrote:Chiropractitioners do feck' wonders. Lets not start inventing things to hit the staff with now.
I would recommend you read up on what Chiropractic is and what they claim they can do by manipulating backs.
Kinesiology isn't proven to work.. Every club and country in the world use it.
What next homeopathy?
My mum's chronic back pain, which had lasted three years and which none of the many physiotherapists and specialists she was sent to by her GP had been able to solve, disappeared after half a dozen visits to a chiropracter.
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I'm not bashing the manager. I am bashing whoever decided to allow a player with a bad back to see a Chiropractor. Even if this is ultimately Coyle's decision, I wouldn't blame him as he is not a doctor or physiotherapist and will be taking advice from someone who he trusts and is medically trained.
I don't know much about Kinesiology, but it is not the subject at hand and is not relevant because I haven't seen a claim from the club that they use this. If there is one, then I will go and learn about it.
This whole thread is about if there is a problem with our medical staff. I've pointed out that they are using an unproven "Alternative" medical practise with evidence in the quote of Ngog's.
It makes me wonder that if they have used a quack medicine on one player then what have they used on others. Has this harmed or slowed down their recovery?
I don't know much about Kinesiology, but it is not the subject at hand and is not relevant because I haven't seen a claim from the club that they use this. If there is one, then I will go and learn about it.
This whole thread is about if there is a problem with our medical staff. I've pointed out that they are using an unproven "Alternative" medical practise with evidence in the quote of Ngog's.
It makes me wonder that if they have used a quack medicine on one player then what have they used on others. Has this harmed or slowed down their recovery?
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Why? because he's French? or because he can't hit a barn door from ten yards?Relentless09 wrote:He wouldn't be eligible to join the SASLost Leopard Spot wrote:I agree, what we need is for N'gog to be able to strip and rebuild an L7A2 general purpose machine gun in under thirty seconds without losing any fingers. And be prepared to use it on the opposition.TANGODANCER wrote:The S.A.S don't do darts, ping-pong or crossbar challenge . More medicine balls, rucksacks full of bricks and Winter Hill would be far more effective where being fit is the issue.
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A chiropractor cured me of a sciatic problem that made my leg spaz out in random kicks. Nobody else had a clue other than to prescribe me shit to put into my body.Sponge wrote:Lost Leopard Spot wrote:Virtually everyone I know reads their stars - it's still a bunch of bollocks.boltonboris wrote:You've invented a new reason to bash the manager.Apathy wrote:What bit have I invented?boltonboris wrote:Chiropractitioners do feck' wonders. Lets not start inventing things to hit the staff with now.
I would recommend you read up on what Chiropractic is and what they claim they can do by manipulating backs.
Kinesiology isn't proven to work.. Every club and country in the world use it.
What next homeopathy?
My mum's chronic back pain, which had lasted three years and which none of the many physiotherapists and specialists she was sent to by her GP had been able to solve, disappeared after half a dozen visits to a chiropracter.
Also had a sports masseur tell me I had a hernia (doctor thought it was a groin strain) by some feckin' pressure points on my foot!! But that's another story.
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We need to get a few chiropractors on our backroom staff. We have a whole fcuking team doing random kicks.boltonboris wrote:A chiropractor cured me of a sciatic problem that made my leg spaz out in random kicks.
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Fortunately for medical science to have progressed as much as it has, anecdotes are not taken into account when trying to understand whether a treatment or a drug really works or is indeed safe; Only a properly controlled medical trial can do this.
If we took any notice of anecdotes, we'd still think smoking is safe because John at work told me his grandad smoked 100 fags a day from the age of 4 and lived until he was 105, and so on....
Although Chiropractors are not medically trained I am sure some of them will have picked up a few tips from those who are, or maybe your Chiro during a manipulation just happened by chance to push a nerve out of the way, or maybe it can just be explained by good old fashioned regression to the mean. For example when I have a back problem it usually resolves itself in a week or so. If at the height of my suffering, I went to a someone who rubbed it better and says "There, there" (This used to be my mum, but the duty now falls to the wife), and then in 3-4 days it was better, I too would think that this person cured my back problems.
Anyway I digress.
Chiropractors are either deluded or con artists, and there is no way that our club should be allowing it's biggest assets into their hands to crack their backs because they think it will do them good.
Please, please please go and read up about this sham practise
A good point to start is http://www.skepdic.com/chiro.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If we took any notice of anecdotes, we'd still think smoking is safe because John at work told me his grandad smoked 100 fags a day from the age of 4 and lived until he was 105, and so on....
Although Chiropractors are not medically trained I am sure some of them will have picked up a few tips from those who are, or maybe your Chiro during a manipulation just happened by chance to push a nerve out of the way, or maybe it can just be explained by good old fashioned regression to the mean. For example when I have a back problem it usually resolves itself in a week or so. If at the height of my suffering, I went to a someone who rubbed it better and says "There, there" (This used to be my mum, but the duty now falls to the wife), and then in 3-4 days it was better, I too would think that this person cured my back problems.
Anyway I digress.
Chiropractors are either deluded or con artists, and there is no way that our club should be allowing it's biggest assets into their hands to crack their backs because they think it will do them good.
Please, please please go and read up about this sham practise
A good point to start is http://www.skepdic.com/chiro.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Wow, you really have an agenda!! Did your wife sleep with a Chiro?
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And whilst we're being condescending, I'd rather go off results that I've seen PROVEN, from myself and others than your agenda driven ridicule of Chiropractice.
What about Sports Psychology? Feng Shue and Yoga. Allardyce did all of that stuff which is as much 'heresay' as any other science.
What about Sports Psychology? Feng Shue and Yoga. Allardyce did all of that stuff which is as much 'heresay' as any other science.
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I wouldn't call it "agenda driven". Rightly or wrongly, its quite a widely held view, certainly among medical folks. I know a few doctors and they wouldn't go near one.boltonboris wrote:And whilst we're being condescending, I'd rather go off results that I've seen PROVEN, from myself and others than your agenda driven ridicule of Chiropractice.
What about Sports Psychology? Feng Shue and Yoga. Allardyce did all of that stuff which is as much 'heresay' as any other science.
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Again Boris your arguments involve having a dig at me, saying you know it works and then trying to change the subject.
The only agenda I hadwas to try and make people aware that Chiropractic is not a proven medical procedure, and that the people who practise it are not medically trained even though they call themselves "Doctor" to make people think they are. If I've made at least one person go and look up what they believe in and do then it was a success.
The only agenda I hadwas to try and make people aware that Chiropractic is not a proven medical procedure, and that the people who practise it are not medically trained even though they call themselves "Doctor" to make people think they are. If I've made at least one person go and look up what they believe in and do then it was a success.
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