Too easy to say Coyle out. How do we go forward from here?
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Re: Too easy to say Coyle out. How do we go forward from he
I'm nailing my hopes on a triumvirate dream team of Mark Hughes, Steve Bruce and Roy Keane. We'd get all the decisions going our way then.
Bryan Robson to replace the fat kit man. Just to get the boys of '93-'94 back together.
I hope Gartside reads this and acts fast.
Bryan Robson to replace the fat kit man. Just to get the boys of '93-'94 back together.
I hope Gartside reads this and acts fast.
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That would only work if Graham Poll was the ref
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So is there a list of potential and realistic candidates should Gartside do the right thing and get rid of Coyle sooner than later?
We're mostly looking at free agents or young talent from lower down the leagues, as we can't really afford to buy someone out of a big contract, plus our cache isn't particularly high at the moment...
UK-based free agents
Alan Curbishley - Hasn't worked for a while, but is still well rated for his time in charge of Charlton and also West Ham (where his record was actually not that bad, only 14 losses in 71 games). Knows how to manage throughout the tiers of English football, and may not be too expensive.
Mick McCarthy - A bit of a Marmite character. Very nice man, and his passion for the game and the clubs he works for is clear. Not the most tactically astute manager, and is a fan of the longer ball game. However, his last teams for Wolves did utilise a style that by the players we have would possibly work quite well.
Harry Redknapp - 'Advising' Bournemouth is unlikely to be his long-term goal, and may relish taking charge of a club with potential to move up (as he did with Portsmouth and Southampton, even Spurs to some degree). Always good in the transfer market, and has a keen eye for both established (yet cheap) and young talent. Despite his reputation as a 'Del Boy wheeler-dealer', his tactical work at Spurs has to be admired and he would be a popular if expensive choice.
Alex McLeish - His only real successes have come in the SPL, where he managed Rangers through a winning period. Ran Birmingham into relegation and for a brief time could've seen his time at Aston Villa end in the same (if not for our own poor management...). Would possibly look for work in the Championship but I wouldn't recommend him. He hasn't done much even with decent transfer budgets, nevermind a smaller one like ours.
Roy Keane - Hasn't managed since being sacked by an Ipswich side that were 19th in the Championship in 2011. Isn't that highly rated due to a similarly dour period at Sunderland where he had a large transfer budget and performed poorly despite using most of it.
Steve Kean - Just no.
Suggestions from forumites (these are my views on them though)
Adrian Boothroyd - Hasn't 'shone' since taking Watford in and out of the Premier League a few years ago. Is currently in charge of Northampton and isn't showing much that would make him an absolutely outstanding candidate.
Marcelo Bielsa - a bit of an 'out-there' suggestion by myself, but I am a massive fan of the chap and have him manage any team I supported. After doing great things over the last season with Athletic Club, is not having a great start to this season possibly owing to some clashes with Bilbao's high-profile players such as Fernando Llorente, who was looking for a big move (possibly Juventus) in the summer but was blocked by Bielsa. A tactical genius whose eccentricity and high standards sometimes grate on players not so willing to give everything to an aesthetic and philosophy that is demanding on players, despite it's potential rewards. Would be very expensive and not likely to want to come to a 2nd tier English club, but one can dream can't they!?!
Fred Rutten - Suggestion from gizmothevoomer - 'I would like to start the debate with two suggestions from Holland Jan Wouters the Utrecht coach or Fred Rutten the Vitesse Arnhem coach. Fred Rutten has coached at Shalke 04, PSV and Arnhen and in just under 200 league games averages over 2 points per game. Jan Wouters has worked predominently as an Assistant coach at Rangers, Ajax, PSV and Utrecht before being made coach last year.'
Jan Wouters - See above.
Ole-Gunnar Solskjaer - Currently in charge of top Norwegian side Molde FK after serving his coaching apprentice under Fergie at Utd. Molde are a decent side (playing in Europe League) and they are Solskjaer's home club, so it would have to be a great offer to entice back to England. Was spoken to about managing Aston Villa but he wasn't interested, and Blackburn are rumoured to be interested in him (though whether he'd want to work for the Venky's lot is something else). Must still have connections to the North West from his years at Old Trafford, and would probably be quite a popular appointment despite his years playing in red...
Thomas Tuchel - Another suggestion from me. Is managing a Mainz side that could be viewed as the Bolton (circa Big Sam period) of the Bundesliga. Punching above their weight and playing decent football to boot. Tuchel is an erudite man and reminds me a lot of a Jurgen Klopp-lite (and seeing how Dortmund play that's not a bad thing). Has experience of smaller budgets and would get Bolton playing how Coyle thinks they should, but with actual tactical plans and strategies.
We're mostly looking at free agents or young talent from lower down the leagues, as we can't really afford to buy someone out of a big contract, plus our cache isn't particularly high at the moment...
UK-based free agents
Alan Curbishley - Hasn't worked for a while, but is still well rated for his time in charge of Charlton and also West Ham (where his record was actually not that bad, only 14 losses in 71 games). Knows how to manage throughout the tiers of English football, and may not be too expensive.
Mick McCarthy - A bit of a Marmite character. Very nice man, and his passion for the game and the clubs he works for is clear. Not the most tactically astute manager, and is a fan of the longer ball game. However, his last teams for Wolves did utilise a style that by the players we have would possibly work quite well.
Harry Redknapp - 'Advising' Bournemouth is unlikely to be his long-term goal, and may relish taking charge of a club with potential to move up (as he did with Portsmouth and Southampton, even Spurs to some degree). Always good in the transfer market, and has a keen eye for both established (yet cheap) and young talent. Despite his reputation as a 'Del Boy wheeler-dealer', his tactical work at Spurs has to be admired and he would be a popular if expensive choice.
Alex McLeish - His only real successes have come in the SPL, where he managed Rangers through a winning period. Ran Birmingham into relegation and for a brief time could've seen his time at Aston Villa end in the same (if not for our own poor management...). Would possibly look for work in the Championship but I wouldn't recommend him. He hasn't done much even with decent transfer budgets, nevermind a smaller one like ours.
Roy Keane - Hasn't managed since being sacked by an Ipswich side that were 19th in the Championship in 2011. Isn't that highly rated due to a similarly dour period at Sunderland where he had a large transfer budget and performed poorly despite using most of it.
Steve Kean - Just no.
Suggestions from forumites (these are my views on them though)
Adrian Boothroyd - Hasn't 'shone' since taking Watford in and out of the Premier League a few years ago. Is currently in charge of Northampton and isn't showing much that would make him an absolutely outstanding candidate.
Marcelo Bielsa - a bit of an 'out-there' suggestion by myself, but I am a massive fan of the chap and have him manage any team I supported. After doing great things over the last season with Athletic Club, is not having a great start to this season possibly owing to some clashes with Bilbao's high-profile players such as Fernando Llorente, who was looking for a big move (possibly Juventus) in the summer but was blocked by Bielsa. A tactical genius whose eccentricity and high standards sometimes grate on players not so willing to give everything to an aesthetic and philosophy that is demanding on players, despite it's potential rewards. Would be very expensive and not likely to want to come to a 2nd tier English club, but one can dream can't they!?!
Fred Rutten - Suggestion from gizmothevoomer - 'I would like to start the debate with two suggestions from Holland Jan Wouters the Utrecht coach or Fred Rutten the Vitesse Arnhem coach. Fred Rutten has coached at Shalke 04, PSV and Arnhen and in just under 200 league games averages over 2 points per game. Jan Wouters has worked predominently as an Assistant coach at Rangers, Ajax, PSV and Utrecht before being made coach last year.'
Jan Wouters - See above.
Ole-Gunnar Solskjaer - Currently in charge of top Norwegian side Molde FK after serving his coaching apprentice under Fergie at Utd. Molde are a decent side (playing in Europe League) and they are Solskjaer's home club, so it would have to be a great offer to entice back to England. Was spoken to about managing Aston Villa but he wasn't interested, and Blackburn are rumoured to be interested in him (though whether he'd want to work for the Venky's lot is something else). Must still have connections to the North West from his years at Old Trafford, and would probably be quite a popular appointment despite his years playing in red...
Thomas Tuchel - Another suggestion from me. Is managing a Mainz side that could be viewed as the Bolton (circa Big Sam period) of the Bundesliga. Punching above their weight and playing decent football to boot. Tuchel is an erudite man and reminds me a lot of a Jurgen Klopp-lite (and seeing how Dortmund play that's not a bad thing). Has experience of smaller budgets and would get Bolton playing how Coyle thinks they should, but with actual tactical plans and strategies.
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Thanks for the thoughts, danardif. I doubt I can name more than a dozen managers in the whole of football, so it's nice to be given something to think on. None of the British options appeal to me, especially not Redknapp whom I detest (not that he'd ever come to Bolton anyway). I like Germans, therefore my completely uninformed choice would be Tuchel.
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I would look to the Bundesliga for managers too... I'm an army kid who spent my teenage years in Germany (I'm almost as big a Hannover fan as I am a Wanderers one), so I'm a big fan of German football.Sponge wrote:Thanks for the thoughts, danardif. I doubt I can name more than a dozen managers in the whole of football, so it's nice to be given something to think on. None of the British options appeal to me, especially not Redknapp whom I detest (not that he'd ever come to Bolton anyway). I like Germans, therefore my completely uninformed choice would be Tuchel.
There is talent the whole way through that league at the moment as well, both on the playing and managerial side. The small clubs are just as well managed as the big ones, and most if not all teams play expansive, attractive football (none of your Stoke crap there, even from your Augsburg's and Greuther Furth's, though Wolfsburg and Stuttgart are constant sources of laughable management).
Mr Gartside (if he pulls the trigger on Coyle's reign) should look to Germany for a young, hungry manager who won't be too expensive and has good footballing ideas and philosophies. He'd be making a massive coup if he did...
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I like the sound of this guy if he's anything like Klopp e'd be a massive coup. I was saying the other day about what a great job Klopp has done bringing the likes of Hummels and Goetze through.danardif1 wrote: Thomas Tuchel - Another suggestion from me. Is managing a Mainz side that could be viewed as the Bolton (circa Big Sam period) of the Bundesliga. Punching above their weight and playing decent football to boot. Tuchel is an erudite man and reminds me a lot of a Jurgen Klopp-lite (and seeing how Dortmund play that's not a bad thing). Has experience of smaller budgets and would get Bolton playing how Coyle thinks they should, but with actual tactical plans and strategies.
Wont happen though I hvae a feeling it'll be Roy Keane or some other garbage.
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I can't see Bundesliga managers dropping down to the Championship though. And we won't get Bielsa in a million years.
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You don't know until you try. What team in English football is actively looking at the Bundesliga for talent in all areas in the game?jmjhb wrote:I can't see Bundesliga managers dropping down to the Championship though. And we won't get Bielsa in a million years.
Bielsa is just me being silly and thinking of my favourite manager...
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i like this bloke is dutch and was recently sparta rotterdam coach currnetly out of a job managed breman for a few years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_de_Mos
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Dutch football is another good place to look at the moment, as the competitiveness of the league seems to have increased and that can be attributed to the talent pool increasing beyond just the big teams of PSV, Ajax and Feyenoord... look at Twente, Alkmaar and others...
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Well don't say it then.Mar wrote:I'm tired of saying that we're only 'x' amount of points off such a place.
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Sparta Rotterdam? Do you know the first thing about them? In fact, do you know anything about Dutch football? Clearly not!bwfcdan94 wrote:i like this bloke is dutch and was recently sparta rotterdam coach currnetly out of a job managed breman for a few years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_de_Mos
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i probably know more than you if you want a challenge then get someone to make us a testBruce Rioja wrote:Sparta Rotterdam? Do you know the first thing about them? In fact, do you know anything about Dutch football? Clearly not!bwfcdan94 wrote:i like this bloke is dutch and was recently sparta rotterdam coach currnetly out of a job managed breman for a few years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_de_Mos
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So why are you recommending a sacked coach from a second rate team from a second rate footballing country? And seriously? Absolutely anytime, Sunshine, on anything!bwfcdan94 wrote:i probably know more than you if you want a challenge then get someone to make us a testBruce Rioja wrote:Sparta Rotterdam? Do you know the first thing about them? In fact, do you know anything about Dutch football? Clearly not!bwfcdan94 wrote:i like this bloke is dutch and was recently sparta rotterdam coach currnetly out of a job managed breman for a few years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_de_Mos
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People what live in Dan's street.Bruce Rioja wrote:So why are you recommending a sacked coach from a second rate team from a second rate footballing country? And seriously? Absolutely anytime, Sunshine, on anything!bwfcdan94 wrote:i probably know more than you if you want a challenge then get someone to make us a testBruce Rioja wrote:Sparta Rotterdam? Do you know the first thing about them? In fact, do you know anything about Dutch football? Clearly not!bwfcdan94 wrote:i like this bloke is dutch and was recently sparta rotterdam coach currnetly out of a job managed breman for a few years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_de_Mos
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Spelling test, spelling test, spelling test!Bruce Rioja wrote:So why are you recommending a sacked coach from a second rate team from a second rate footballing country? And seriously? Absolutely anytime, Sunshine, on anything!bwfcdan94 wrote:i probably know more than you if you want a challenge then get someone to make us a testBruce Rioja wrote:Sparta Rotterdam? Do you know the first thing about them? In fact, do you know anything about Dutch football? Clearly not!bwfcdan94 wrote:i like this bloke is dutch and was recently sparta rotterdam coach currnetly out of a job managed breman for a few years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_de_Mos
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Easy. That's the Hfgbnkeelkjh's.Worthy4England wrote:People what live in Dan's street.Bruce Rioja wrote:So why are you recommending a sacked coach from a second rate team from a second rate footballing country? And seriously? Absolutely anytime, Sunshine, on anything!bwfcdan94 wrote:i probably know more than you if you want a challenge then get someone to make us a testBruce Rioja wrote:Sparta Rotterdam? Do you know the first thing about them? In fact, do you know anything about Dutch football? Clearly not!bwfcdan94 wrote:i like this bloke is dutch and was recently sparta rotterdam coach currnetly out of a job managed breman for a few years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_de_Mos
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Sounds like the perfect fit for us then!Bruce Rioja wrote:So why are you recommending a sacked coach from a second rate team from a second rate footballing country? And seriously? Absolutely anytime, Sunshine, on anything!bwfcdan94 wrote:i probably know more than you if you want a challenge then get someone to make us a testBruce Rioja wrote:Sparta Rotterdam? Do you know the first thing about them? In fact, do you know anything about Dutch football? Clearly not!bwfcdan94 wrote:i like this bloke is dutch and was recently sparta rotterdam coach currnetly out of a job managed breman for a few years http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aad_de_Mos
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If he's not stuffing his face in Nando's then I reckon you're talking shite.
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