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Who would you like to see replacing Owen Coyle?

Alan Curbishley
15
12%
Paolo di Canio
9
7%
Billy Davies
9
7%
Keith Hill
5
4%
Roy Keane
1
1%
Mick McCarthy
12
9%
Gary Neville
10
8%
A rising lower-league boss (eg Micky Mellon)
11
9%
BWFC legend (eg Hierro/Gudni/McGinlay)
10
8%
Someone from abroad (eg Solskjaer)
35
27%
Someone from within (LSL/Jiminho/Didsy/Zico)
3
2%
AN Other
8
6%
 
Total votes: 128

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by giraffesarecool » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:11 pm

BL3 wrote:
giraffesarecool wrote:Mick McCarthy - appointing him would really make me question our ambitions for the future. His record speaks for itself. Get's a team promoted, lingers around with them for a bit, either get's relegated or is pushed before relegation and then the club struggles for a bit before another manager restores them. There's nothing in his career to indicate he won't do the same if he was at Bolton, which makes it totally pointless for us.
We've got to win promotion first. Speculating on what happens beyond that is pointless. Incidentally McCarthy kept Wolves up for two seasons and might have kept them up again last season.
giraffesarecool wrote:Billy Davies - the biggest lol for him. He's an absolute idiot of a human being, with another incredibly average record. I have to question anyone's ambition if they want to see him take over. It screams of a short term fix and absolute panic. He's done very little to suggest he would even get us near to promotion and we all know what happened with him in the Prem.
Billy Davies who got both PNE and Forest into the play-offs, not to mention winning promotion with Derby?
giraffesarecool wrote:Paolo Di Canio - He will not stand for any egos in his dressing room
Apart from his own. The man's a prick. Telling your own supporters to go and support their local rivals if they don't agree with you is Megson-esque.
You are being so very short minded. It's exactly what is wrong with the appointments a lot of chairmen make. Davies and McCarthy have never lasted long once they've achieved promotion (Davies hasn't even achieved it that often...) and the club has always fallen straight back down. It's so very short sighted and when you appoint a manager you MUST have a long term plan at the same time. There will be a nice compromise but appointing anyone like Davies/McCarthy is the other extreme to appointing someone relatively unproven.

What's so bad about Di Canio doing that? He getting great success there and taking the club up and up yet the fans are questioning his style? It's nothing like Megson who was getting no results and was getting slated for it. If the fans want to cry because his management style is bring success and upsetting a few players then maybe they should be supporting other clubs. It's absolutely mental behaviour by the supporters.

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:13 pm

giraffesarecool wrote:
BL3 wrote:
giraffesarecool wrote:Mick McCarthy - appointing him would really make me question our ambitions for the future. His record speaks for itself. Get's a team promoted, lingers around with them for a bit, either get's relegated or is pushed before relegation and then the club struggles for a bit before another manager restores them. There's nothing in his career to indicate he won't do the same if he was at Bolton, which makes it totally pointless for us.
We've got to win promotion first. Speculating on what happens beyond that is pointless. Incidentally McCarthy kept Wolves up for two seasons and might have kept them up again last season.
giraffesarecool wrote:Billy Davies - the biggest lol for him. He's an absolute idiot of a human being, with another incredibly average record. I have to question anyone's ambition if they want to see him take over. It screams of a short term fix and absolute panic. He's done very little to suggest he would even get us near to promotion and we all know what happened with him in the Prem.
Billy Davies who got both PNE and Forest into the play-offs, not to mention winning promotion with Derby?
giraffesarecool wrote:Paolo Di Canio - He will not stand for any egos in his dressing room
Apart from his own. The man's a prick. Telling your own supporters to go and support their local rivals if they don't agree with you is Megson-esque.
You are being so very short minded. It's exactly what is wrong with the appointments a lot of chairmen make. Davies and McCarthy have never lasted long once they've achieved promotion (Davies hasn't even achieved it that often...) and the club has always fallen straight back down. It's so very short sighted and when you appoint a manager you MUST have a long term plan at the same time. There will be a nice compromise but appointing anyone like Davies/McCarthy is the other extreme to appointing someone relatively unproven.

What's so bad about Di Canio doing that? He getting great success there and taking the club up and up yet the fans are questioning his style? It's nothing like Megson who was getting no results and was getting slated for it. If the fans want to cry because his management style is bring success and upsetting a few players then maybe they should be supporting other clubs. It's absolutely mental behaviour by the supporters.
He's promoted Swindon from league 2. Fallen out in public and violently with some of their players and is constantly moaning about lack of money, despite have had quite a lot to spend there.

Is that really evidence of taking them "up and up".

Blokes mental. We will never appoint him, of that I have no doubt.

Because our club is not run by mentalists.

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by giraffesarecool » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:16 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:I see, so Paolo Di Canio is "brilliant" but Solskjaer is "unproven", Holloway only good when there is no pressure and Appleton not ready for managing "big time players".

Di Canio is brilliant, despite having to be pulled apart from one of his own players in the tunnel by stewards, is under investigation by the FA for allegedly "racially abusing one of his own players and said the below about HIS 21 year old keeper........my god he ticks all the boxes, shame its just all the boxes we don't fecking want in a manager!
'Why can’t we change the goalkeeper? Is the goalkeeper is an element who plays on with another team because he has a different colour on his shirt? I know my players, I know Wes – he was the crappy player even against Stoke.

'Today what he did, it’s not only the mistake that can happen to everyone. The arrogance later, when he started moaning to the others, that was the worst thing for me because it let me realise that a player doesn’t recognise his mistakes that was clear miles away, that was a rubbish mistake.

'I said to him "now calm because we have to keep going", we give the ball straight away to them and then start again moaning to the others.

'Today he started behaving as the worst professional; arrogant, ignorant in some way – not as a person, as an athlete – I have ever seen.

'If he doesn’t come out and say sorry to the fans, for the professionalism in general, he is out from my team. I don’t want any argument from the fans ‘we play Oxford, we have a season’ - no.

'I don’t mind because this is my rules and [Leigh] Bedwell did very, very well. Maybe he behaved like this because the window’s closed. Another question mark.
I already said Di Canio is my favourite so I'm going to be slightly biased because I'm totally convinced by him, I've seen much less from Solskjaer other than some stats and a lot of written praise.

So you just want a manager who is a crowd pleaser? A player pleaser? What utter nonsense. Quite simply Di Canio gets great results on a tight budget. The goalkeeper acting like an idiot after being subbed and he's gone and called him out on it. The fact that pretty much every player is playing for him and picking up great results is all this should be about.

It's amazing that you seem to be suggesting you'd like a nice friendly manager rather than one that would win matches and take us places :D You're the kind of person that wouldn't have wanted Mourinho in because he was a bit too arrogant. Get a grip.

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by BL3 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:18 pm

giraffesarecool wrote:It's so very short sighted and when you appoint a manager you MUST have a long term plan at the same time.
So your 'long term plan' is to appoint a manager with no experience of managing in the Championship, let alone any experience of managing in the Premier League? Brilliant.

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by Loyal White » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:20 pm

giraffesarecool wrote:I already said Di Canio is my favourite so I'm going to be slightly biased because I'm totally convinced by him, I've seen much less from Solskjaer other than some stats and a lot of written praise.

So you just want a manager who is a crowd pleaser? A player pleaser? What utter nonsense. Quite simply Di Canio gets great results on a tight budget. The goalkeeper acting like an idiot after being subbed and he's gone and called him out on it. The fact that pretty much every player is playing for him and picking up great results is all this should be about.

It's amazing that you seem to be suggesting you'd like a nice friendly manager rather than one that would win matches and take us places :D You're the kind of person that wouldn't have wanted Mourinho in because he was a bit too arrogant. Get a grip.
Not going to get involved in the rest, but Di Canio spent a fortune (by League Two standards) last season.

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by giraffesarecool » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:22 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
giraffesarecool wrote:
BL3 wrote:
giraffesarecool wrote:Mick McCarthy - appointing him would really make me question our ambitions for the future. His record speaks for itself. Get's a team promoted, lingers around with them for a bit, either get's relegated or is pushed before relegation and then the club struggles for a bit before another manager restores them. There's nothing in his career to indicate he won't do the same if he was at Bolton, which makes it totally pointless for us.
We've got to win promotion first. Speculating on what happens beyond that is pointless. Incidentally McCarthy kept Wolves up for two seasons and might have kept them up again last season.
giraffesarecool wrote:Billy Davies - the biggest lol for him. He's an absolute idiot of a human being, with another incredibly average record. I have to question anyone's ambition if they want to see him take over. It screams of a short term fix and absolute panic. He's done very little to suggest he would even get us near to promotion and we all know what happened with him in the Prem.
Billy Davies who got both PNE and Forest into the play-offs, not to mention winning promotion with Derby?
giraffesarecool wrote:Paolo Di Canio - He will not stand for any egos in his dressing room
Apart from his own. The man's a prick. Telling your own supporters to go and support their local rivals if they don't agree with you is Megson-esque.
You are being so very short minded. It's exactly what is wrong with the appointments a lot of chairmen make. Davies and McCarthy have never lasted long once they've achieved promotion (Davies hasn't even achieved it that often...) and the club has always fallen straight back down. It's so very short sighted and when you appoint a manager you MUST have a long term plan at the same time. There will be a nice compromise but appointing anyone like Davies/McCarthy is the other extreme to appointing someone relatively unproven.

What's so bad about Di Canio doing that? He getting great success there and taking the club up and up yet the fans are questioning his style? It's nothing like Megson who was getting no results and was getting slated for it. If the fans want to cry because his management style is bring success and upsetting a few players then maybe they should be supporting other clubs. It's absolutely mental behaviour by the supporters.
He's promoted Swindon from league 2. Fallen out in public and violently with some of their players and is constantly moaning about lack of money, despite have had quite a lot to spend there.

Is that really evidence of taking them "up and up".

Blokes mental. We will never appoint him, of that I have no doubt.

Because our club is not run by mentalists.
Up and up is not a literal description of promotion and promotion :D

It's who I would choose. I know our club is run by below ambitious guys, so I fully expect a 'safe' manager that will take us nowhere and then get sacked within 2 years.

Hmm Gary Megson, Owen Coyle, Sammy Lee, yeah these guys in charge have it sussed... It's horrible thinking where we would be without Sam Allardyce, but it also suggests that a bit of a gamble on a promising young manager can result in relatively massive success. I'd be happier to go down that route again instead of the Megson esque route of Davies and McCarthy :D After all Megson got promotion and kept WBA for a year as well didn't he? Hell Megson drew 2-2 with Bayern! Sign him up! These are all the credentials you seem to value.

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by giraffesarecool » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:23 pm

BL3 wrote:
giraffesarecool wrote:It's so very short sighted and when you appoint a manager you MUST have a long term plan at the same time.
So your 'long term plan' is to appoint a manager with no experience of managing in the Championship, let alone any experience of managing in the Premier League? Brilliant.
I don't recall saying that, but it's nice to see you try to 'win' discussions by putting words in other people's mouths.

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by giraffesarecool » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:26 pm

Loyal White wrote:
giraffesarecool wrote:I already said Di Canio is my favourite so I'm going to be slightly biased because I'm totally convinced by him, I've seen much less from Solskjaer other than some stats and a lot of written praise.

So you just want a manager who is a crowd pleaser? A player pleaser? What utter nonsense. Quite simply Di Canio gets great results on a tight budget. The goalkeeper acting like an idiot after being subbed and he's gone and called him out on it. The fact that pretty much every player is playing for him and picking up great results is all this should be about.

It's amazing that you seem to be suggesting you'd like a nice friendly manager rather than one that would win matches and take us places :D You're the kind of person that wouldn't have wanted Mourinho in because he was a bit too arrogant. Get a grip.
Not going to get involved in the rest, but Di Canio spent a fortune (by League Two standards) last season.
Last season they were down a net £80,000. How much do League 2 clubs normally spend!?

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by BWFC_Insane » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:30 pm

giraffesarecool wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:I see, so Paolo Di Canio is "brilliant" but Solskjaer is "unproven", Holloway only good when there is no pressure and Appleton not ready for managing "big time players".

Di Canio is brilliant, despite having to be pulled apart from one of his own players in the tunnel by stewards, is under investigation by the FA for allegedly "racially abusing one of his own players and said the below about HIS 21 year old keeper........my god he ticks all the boxes, shame its just all the boxes we don't fecking want in a manager!
'Why can’t we change the goalkeeper? Is the goalkeeper is an element who plays on with another team because he has a different colour on his shirt? I know my players, I know Wes – he was the crappy player even against Stoke.

'Today what he did, it’s not only the mistake that can happen to everyone. The arrogance later, when he started moaning to the others, that was the worst thing for me because it let me realise that a player doesn’t recognise his mistakes that was clear miles away, that was a rubbish mistake.

'I said to him "now calm because we have to keep going", we give the ball straight away to them and then start again moaning to the others.

'Today he started behaving as the worst professional; arrogant, ignorant in some way – not as a person, as an athlete – I have ever seen.

'If he doesn’t come out and say sorry to the fans, for the professionalism in general, he is out from my team. I don’t want any argument from the fans ‘we play Oxford, we have a season’ - no.

'I don’t mind because this is my rules and [Leigh] Bedwell did very, very well. Maybe he behaved like this because the window’s closed. Another question mark.
I already said Di Canio is my favourite so I'm going to be slightly biased because I'm totally convinced by him, I've seen much less from Solskjaer other than some stats and a lot of written praise.

So you just want a manager who is a crowd pleaser? A player pleaser? What utter nonsense. Quite simply Di Canio gets great results on a tight budget. The goalkeeper acting like an idiot after being subbed and he's gone and called him out on it. The fact that pretty much every player is playing for him and picking up great results is all this should be about.

It's amazing that you seem to be suggesting you'd like a nice friendly manager rather than one that would win matches and take us places :D You're the kind of person that wouldn't have wanted Mourinho in because he was a bit too arrogant. Get a grip.
Utter shite. Mourinho is a brilliant, brilliant man who learned the game from the bottom up and has become the best manager around. His persona is part of it, but he creates a fantastic bond between himself and his players.

Sam Allardyce did very similar here.

Di Canio just creates tension. He may well have promoted Swindon from league two, but how the hell does that make him any different from any other manager who has done the same or better?

There is no evidence there. And his managerial "incidents" hardly point to a balanced and stable individual.

I think you are confusing, character and performance.

When he's managed successfully at a higher level, without causing mayhem we'll see.

Its one thing pissing off lower level players who may have no option, but piss off our better players and its a totally different scenario.

Anyhow, not a cat in hells chance of it happening. And thank god for that.

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by Lord Kangana » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:40 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:But McCarthy has "snubbed" us. The papers said so!
The Times tells me that OGS has said Bolton is Not For Him.
Snubation all round.
I prefer "snubbage" in this context, and would be grateful if everyone would conform in future when referring to OGS and MM.
Noted. Snubbage it is. Snubation has been relegated as the crude Americanism I should have recognised it for in the first place.
Its very nice to encounter such civility on here. No doubt our American friends will be along soon enough with Snubderisation or Snubberissing or something equally absurd, but for now I think we've nipped this one in the bud.
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Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Oct 16, 2012 1:44 pm

Lord Kangana wrote: Its very nice to encounter such civility on here. No doubt our American friends will be along soon enough with Snubderisation or Snubberissing or something equally absurd, but for now I think we've nipped this one in the bud.
I think that that'll be Snubderization and Snubderizing, young man.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:12 pm

giraffesarecool wrote:
Loyal White wrote:
giraffesarecool wrote:Quite simply Di Canio gets great results on a tight budget.
Not going to get involved in the rest, but Di Canio spent a fortune (by League Two standards) last season.
Last season they were down a net £80,000. How much do League 2 clubs normally spend!?
A lot less on agents than Swindon do. In some case, almost half a million less per year.
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Post by thebish » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:41 pm

Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:
Lost Leopard Spot wrote:
Lord Kangana wrote:But McCarthy has "snubbed" us. The papers said so!
The Times tells me that OGS has said Bolton is Not For Him.
Snubation all round.
I prefer "snubbage" in this context, and would be grateful if everyone would conform in future when referring to OGS and MM.
Noted. Snubbage it is. Snubation has been relegated as the crude Americanism I should have recognised it for in the first place.
is "snubbage" a bit like "cribbage"? if so - I'm in!

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Post by Lost Leopard Spot » Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:47 pm

A game of snubbage in the snug, gentlemen?
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Lost Leopard Spot wrote:A game of snubbage in the snug, gentlemen?
now we're talking!!

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by Barefoot Wanderer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:06 pm

bobby wrote:Although I've never much rated him elsewhere, I think Peter Reid is a good candidate for the job. I think he could certainly take us back up this season or next. He loves the club, would have respect from players and wouldn't spew out half the nonsense Coyle did. He seems a good fit for the club at this time.
I really hope Billy Davies doesn't come near the club. He could probably secure promotion, but what else after that? Maybe a season of scrapping for draws against teams we used to have down as '3 pointers', before an inevitable slump back down to our current situation.
Roy Keane and Di Canio can stay away too.
Michael Appleton is too unproven for me. Not quite sure why managing a club with piss poor finances makes him the man to take us from the bottom half of the Championship to being a solid Premiership side.
I like the idea of Solksjaer coming over but don't see it happening. If Gartside could pull it off I'd be very impressed mind.
Mick would be an uninspiring choice, the easy option. Proven track record at this level, but we really should be looking at our long term future.
Part of me would be delighted with Peter Reid being appointed, but doesn't he have drinking issues which have affected his work rate in recent jobs?

I know i've seen him on Goals on Sunday quite recently and openly admits drink has stopped his career from moving forward, might be bit of a liability?

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:24 pm

Barefoot Wanderer wrote: I know i've seen him on Goals on Sunday quite recently and openly admits drink has stopped his career from moving forward
I thought it was his lack of man-management skill that had done that :?
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Post by Barefoot Wanderer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:30 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:
Barefoot Wanderer wrote: I know i've seen him on Goals on Sunday quite recently and openly admits drink has stopped his career from moving forward
I thought it was his lack of man-management skill that had done that :?
Have you ever tried man-managing when you are two sheets to the wind? :)

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Post by Barefoot Wanderer » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:31 pm

What's wrong with giving BSA a ring? (you never know)

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Re: Now he's gone, who's next?

Post by ohjimmyjimmy » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:31 pm

Barefoot Wanderer wrote:
bobby wrote:Although I've never much rated him elsewhere, I think Peter Reid is a good candidate for the job. I think he could certainly take us back up this season or next. He loves the club, would have respect from players and wouldn't spew out half the nonsense Coyle did. He seems a good fit for the club at this time.
I really hope Billy Davies doesn't come near the club. He could probably secure promotion, but what else after that? Maybe a season of scrapping for draws against teams we used to have down as '3 pointers', before an inevitable slump back down to our current situation.
Roy Keane and Di Canio can stay away too.
Michael Appleton is too unproven for me. Not quite sure why managing a club with piss poor finances makes him the man to take us from the bottom half of the Championship to being a solid Premiership side.
I like the idea of Solksjaer coming over but don't see it happening. If Gartside could pull it off I'd be very impressed mind.
Mick would be an uninspiring choice, the easy option. Proven track record at this level, but we really should be looking at our long term future.
Part of me would be delighted with Peter Reid being appointed, but doesn't he have drinking issues which have affected his work rate in recent jobs?

I know i've seen him on Goals on Sunday quite recently and openly admits drink has stopped his career from moving forward, might be bit of a liability?
Which part of you ?? Get it seen to, quick :wink:

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