Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by Jokers in White » Wed Oct 24, 2012 10:16 pm

BL3 wrote:Coyle built a decent squad whilst slashing the wage bill by half. He had a far more difficult task than the likes of Megson and Sammy Lee had.
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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by Tombwfc » Wed Oct 24, 2012 11:57 pm

Even more-so when you consider I'm fairly sure that it was only a month or so ago BL3 was defending Coyle on the basis that it wasn't really his team because he hadn't signed half of them. Now he's gone and we've had two decent results, all of a sudden Coyle's built it.

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:02 am

Well Freedman is going to have to be the Holy Trinity if he's to achieve whats expected, if the clubs in 1/2 as bad shape as Moses appears to have left it.
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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by Martin_Cruise » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:47 am

BL3 wrote:Coyle built a decent squad whilst slashing the wage bill by half. He had a far more difficult task than the likes of Megson and Sammy Lee had.
This is correct.

Lee and Megson both had a larger wage bill to play with and in Megson's case much more transfer funding.They were both sacked while we were underachieving in the relegation zone.It was the downsizing of the club that kept Coyle in a job in the relegation zone but then again if Cahill hadn't been sold or Coyle had been given £8 million to replace Elmander like the previous manager had been given to buy him it's highly likely we would have been higher up the table.Coyle showed in his first year as Bolton manager he got better results than Megson with Megson's more expensive players.

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by Sponge » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:56 am

Martin_Cruise wrote:
BL3 wrote:Coyle built a decent squad whilst slashing the wage bill by half. He had a far more difficult task than the likes of Megson and Sammy Lee had.
This is correct.

Lee and Megson both had a larger wage bill to play with and in Megson's case much more transfer funding.They were both sacked while we were underachieving in the relegation zone.It was the downsizing of the club that kept Coyle in a job in the relegation zone but then again if Cahill hadn't been sold or Coyle had been given £8 million to replace Elmander like the previous manager had been given to buy him it's highly likely we would have been higher up the table.Coyle showed in his first year as Bolton manager he got better results than Megson with Megson's more expensive players.

Sordell and Ngog cost about £8 million. They have a grand total of four (4) goals between them.
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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by midlands exile » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:56 am

Martin_Cruise wrote:
BL3 wrote:Coyle built a decent squad whilst slashing the wage bill by half. He had a far more difficult task than the likes of Megson and Sammy Lee had.
This is correct.

Lee and Megson both had a larger wage bill to play with and in Megson's case much more transfer funding.They were both sacked while we were underachieving in the relegation zone.It was the downsizing of the club that kept Coyle in a job in the relegation zone but then again if Cahill hadn't been sold or Coyle had been given £8 million to replace Elmander like the previous manager had been given to buy him it's highly likely we would have been higher up the table.Coyle showed in his first year as Bolton manager he got better results than Megson with Megson's more expensive players.
This is twaddle.

What lofty position were we in when Cahill was sold? How much did OC spend (waste?) on ngog and sordell?

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by CAPSLOCK » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:56 am

Martin_Cruise wrote:
BL3 wrote:Coyle built a decent squad whilst slashing the wage bill by half. He had a far more difficult task than the likes of Megson and Sammy Lee had.
This is correct.

Lee and Megson both had a larger wage bill to play with and in Megson's case much more transfer funding.They were both sacked while we were underachieving in the relegation zone.It was the downsizing of the club that kept Coyle in a job in the relegation zone but then again if Cahill hadn't been sold or Coyle had been given £8 million to replace Elmander like the previous manager had been given to buy him it's highly likely we would have been higher up the table.Coyle showed in his first year as Bolton manager he got better results than Megson with Megson's more expensive players.
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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:04 am

Sordell - £3m - Never used him
Ngog - £4m
Ream - £2.5m - Used irregularly
Alonso - £2.5m - Barely used
Mills - £2m
Mears/Eagles - £3m
Wheater - £2m - Parked on the bench for the best part of a season
Petrov - signed on bigish wages
Klasnic - Signed on bigish wages
Robbie Blake - WTF? Then resigned him WTF x 2

Coyle spent plenty on wages and fees. The man is a deluded moron that didn't even believe in his own signings as he either didn't play them, or played them so rarely/intermittently. Holden apart, he signed dross and even that was a fluke.

the record is broken. Throw it away and move on FFS.

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by Martin_Cruise » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:18 am

Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:Sordell - £3m - Never used him
Ngog - £4m
Ream - £2.5m - Used irregularly
Alonso - £2.5m - Barely used
Mills - £2m
Mears/Eagles - £3m
Wheater - £2m - Parked on the bench for the best part of a season
Petrov - signed on bigish wages
Klasnic - Signed on bigish wages
Robbie Blake - WTF? Then resigned him WTF x 2

Coyle spent plenty on wages and fees. The man is a deluded moron that didn't even believe in his own signings as he either didn't play them, or played them so rarely/intermittently. Holden apart, he signed dross and even that was a fluke.

the record is broken. Throw it away and move on FFS.
£19 million to buy 10 players as you have listed is a yo yo club budget, that's why Coyle survived the relegation.It was the poor start to this season that cost him his job because yo yo clubs need to be challenging for promotion.

Megson spent over £19 million on Elmander, Knight, Muamba and Shittu alone and he spent another £20 million on top of that.The point is Coyle got similar results to Megson after his £20 milion expenditure compared to the £40 million Megson spent.

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by Abdoulaye's Twin » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:39 am

Martin_Cruise wrote:
£19 million to buy 10 players as you have listed is a yo yo club budget, that's why Coyle survived the relegation.It was the poor start to this season that cost him his job because yo yo clubs need to be challenging for promotion.

Megson spent over £19 million on Elmander, Knight, Muamba and Shittu alone and he spent another £20 million on top of that.The point is Coyle got similar results to Megson after his £20 milion expenditure compared to the £40 million Megson spent.
So Bolton have been a yo-yo club for the last decade? Apart from a couple of seasons this has been our budget. Wigan have typically spent similar and aren't a yo-yo club. Swansea got promoted on less than £2m net spend and then spent £8m last season. I could go on, but the fact is that Coyle has had a comparable budget to a decent number of teams that it is reasonable to say we are competing with. The real difference is what the money was spent on and whether those players were used.

Lets look at it again:

Ngog - a poor buy
Ream - a very poor buy from what we have seen. Used infrequently.
Alonso - a very poor buy. Barely used. What was the point?
Mills - Nothing to suggest a good buy so far.
Mears/Eagles - Mears a poor buy. Eagles an ok buy in the context he was bought in. Good Championship player, below average Premiership player.
Wheater - Decent enough signing but parked on the bench for best part of a season despite Knight playing like a pub player.
Petrov - Play, drop, play, drop and so on. Ironically, dropped when playing well and played when playing shit.
Klasnic - Didn't use him as an impact sub enough
Robbie Blake - Signed as cover and never used him. Decided to pay him half a million and probably more to crack jokes in the dressing room for another season.

Coyle lost his job because he was not competent at his job. Coyle should have lost his job 12 months ago. Comparisons with Megson are rediculouse. Megson was a tosser and a poor manager too. He spent more money than Coyle and overpaid for players. At least he bought a couple of decent ones. A good manager will make decisions based on facts and evidence, with maybe a little gut feeling. Look at that list of players above and tell me which of them were evidently good players/signings? Petrov and Wheater. The rest were punts and known mediocrity.

Anyway. Coyle is gone. We understand you and BL3 think he was unfortunate. The evidence says otherwise. Let it go.

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by jonnycooper » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:45 am

Yes Owen you did leave us in good shape...Perfectly Square :whack: :spank:

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by Worthy4England » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:51 am

To be honest, he's hardly going to say "I was reet shite" now he's in the job market.

So I think I'll just let it wash over me and wish him good luck in the future.

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by thebish » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:54 am

Worthy4England wrote:To be honest, he's hardly going to say "I was reet shite" now he's in the job market.

So I think I'll just let it wash over me and wish him good luck in the future.
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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by David Lee's Hair » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:55 am

Worthy4England wrote:To be honest, he's hardly going to say "I was reet shite" now he's in the job market.

So I think I'll just let it wash over me and wish him good luck in the future.
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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by thebish » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:56 am

David Lee's Hair wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:To be honest, he's hardly going to say "I was reet shite" now he's in the job market.

So I think I'll just let it wash over me and wish him good luck in the future.
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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by David Lee's Hair » Thu Oct 25, 2012 10:59 am

thebish wrote:
David Lee's Hair wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:To be honest, he's hardly going to say "I was reet shite" now he's in the job market.

So I think I'll just let it wash over me and wish him good luck in the future.
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letting it wash over you twice would be a bit of an indulgence... once is enough!
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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by thebish » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:02 am

David Lee's Hair wrote:
thebish wrote:
David Lee's Hair wrote:
Worthy4England wrote:To be honest, he's hardly going to say "I was reet shite" now he's in the job market.

So I think I'll just let it wash over me and wish him good luck in the future.
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letting it wash over you twice would be a bit of an indulgence... once is enough!
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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by BL3 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:17 pm

Tombwfc wrote:Even more-so when you consider I'm fairly sure that it was only a month or so ago BL3 was defending Coyle on the basis that it wasn't really his team because he hadn't signed half of them. Now he's gone and we've had two decent results, all of a sudden Coyle's built it.

Let it go.
I'm fairly sure you need to get your facts right. I actually pointed out that the team that had played in one particular game was not entirely composed of players he'd signed, despite claims to the contrary.

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by BL3 » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:31 pm

Abdoulaye's Twin wrote:Coyle spent plenty on wages and fees.
His net spend was just over £2.5M when we were in the Premier League. He also reduced the wage bill by half during that time.

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Re: Coyle Left us in Good Shape...

Post by CAPSLOCK » Thu Oct 25, 2012 12:34 pm

BL3 wrote:
Tombwfc wrote:Even more-so when you consider I'm fairly sure that it was only a month or so ago BL3 was defending Coyle on the basis that it wasn't really his team because he hadn't signed half of them. Now he's gone and we've had two decent results, all of a sudden Coyle's built it.

Let it go.
I'm fairly sure you need to get your facts right. I actually pointed out that the team that had played in one particular game was not entirely composed of players he'd signed, despite claims to the contrary.
I'm fairly sure we haven't got any players he hasn't signed, cept possibly Bogdan
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