The "Nothing to see here"Transfer thread

[wanderers_on_tour]

Norwich will have only taken him as a short term replacement now Hooper is out injured. Great short term move imo just not the franchise star we all hoped.

[TANGODANCER]

I look back on him like Petrov; lots of skill, nice movement and such but rarely any end product. Even under Coyle when he played better. He contributed more than Petrov IMO, but in a similar way underwhelmed despite the potential and promise. Scored some nice goals though, that one against Wolves is one of the best I've ever seen.

If he'd had all three,how long would we have been able to keep him at Bolton anyway?

[wanderers_on_tour]

So? Overrated, always has been. He had a good few weeks, maybe month or two, under Coyle and that was it. Lot of skill, but rarely any end product.

I don't know about overrated.

He cost £8M. His replacements in NGog and Sordell cost £7M.

Sordell is now warming Charltons bench. NGog is well NGog.

I'd rather have Elmander to be honest.

Interesting point of view. To me he always looked flashy and threatening, but rarely delivered apart from that brief period under Coyle.

Good player Elmander, even if we only saw things spasmodically. Think sooner people realise that how a player is used by a manager and the effect team mates have on a players performance the better. Disappointed when he went as he just seemed to be hitting his stride and the fact that we'd spent so much to get nothing back.
You might also give him some credit and think that he might have seen through Coyle.

I don't think that Coyle used him "correctly" to paraphrase you, he often played him out of position in reality, I think that he just reacted better to his more fluffy man management than Megson's screaming and blaming. Understandable really.

However my point is that he was really overrated. Flashy player, but often didn't deliver. It was during the November-January period roughly IIRC when he was shit-hot, and even then turned tepid again. Towards the end of his time with us he didn't impress much (admittedly played out of position though, right midfield was it?).

I look back on him like Petrov; lots of skill, nice movement and such but rarely any end product. Even under Coyle when he played better. He contributed more than Petrov IMO, but in a similar way underwhelmed despite the potential and promise. Scored some nice goals though, that one against Wolves is one of the best I've ever seen.

Coyle only played him out of his natural position a handful of times and that was only to facilitate the best goalscorer we've had at this club since Anelka. Even so he still performed admirably and in the same capacity that people are arguing Rooney should just get on and deal with it, so did Elmo.

Tbh Elmander didn't see through anything. He bolted for more money, a champions league side and a fresh start away from an atmosphere that had at times (albeit in the minority) proven hostile to him except for his purple patch before christmas. He was only around during Owens peak so don't think he can be credited with some great fore-sight, it was purely personal.

I'm not bitter but if he wanted to stay he could have.

[thebish]

hmmmm.... but I don't really see how it makes much sense to "rate" a player by reference to the cost of another bought at a different time and in different circumstances - down that path lies madness - especially when you take Andy Carroll into account...

best way to "rate" Elmander in the context of this thread would be to suggest whether you think he will make a significant difference to Norwich's premiership fortunes... the jury (surely) is still out on that one...

Well he's getting on a bit now. I think he would be a big improvement for us. But Norwich? They've already signed a few strikers and I don't know how much of an improvement he'd be over those.

so - at least possibly - depending on wages etc. - at Norwich - in the context of this thread - he has been over-rated? We won't know unless we know the details and can look back on the impact he has made for them...

[StaffsTrotter]

I look back on him like Petrov; lots of skill, nice movement and such but rarely any end product. Even under Coyle when he played better. He contributed more than Petrov IMO, but in a similar way underwhelmed despite the potential and promise. Scored some nice goals though, that one against Wolves is one of the best I've ever seen.

If he'd had all three,how long would we have been able to kepp him at Bolton anyway?

or, in the spirit of belittling ourselves, if he had all 3, would we have had him in the 1st place ?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

SSN this morning: "Elmander, a failure at Bolton..."

[BWFC_Insane]

hmmmm.... but I don't really see how it makes much sense to "rate" a player by reference to the cost of another bought at a different time and in different circumstances - down that path lies madness - especially when you take Andy Carroll into account...

best way to "rate" Elmander in the context of this thread would be to suggest whether you think he will make a significant difference to Norwich's premiership fortunes... the jury (surely) is still out on that one...

Well he's getting on a bit now. I think he would be a big improvement for us. But Norwich? They've already signed a few strikers and I don't know how much of an improvement he'd be over those.

so - at least possibly - depending on wages etc. - at Norwich - in the context of this thread - he has been over-rated? We won't know unless we know the details and can look back on the impact he has made for them...

I've have no idea. It is reported they are bringing him in as "cover". So whether they are "overrating" him or not is a complete unknown.

[StaffsTrotter]

SSN this morning: "Elmander, a failure at Bolton..."

doesn't that tag onto all of our ex players

I wonder who came up with that one and on what basis

[a1]

SSN this morning: "Elmander, a failure at Bolton..."

we got relegated after he left..

[TANGODANCER]

I look back on him like Petrov; lots of skill, nice movement and such but rarely any end product. Even under Coyle when he played better. He contributed more than Petrov IMO, but in a similar way underwhelmed despite the potential and promise. Scored some nice goals though, that one against Wolves is one of the best I've ever seen.

If he'd had all three,how long would we have been able to kepp him at Bolton anyway?

or, in the spirit of belittling ourselves, if he had all 3, would we have had him in the 1st place ?

Not belittling ourselves ST, just accepting a financial reality. That's football.

[AbrahM]

Are we that desperate for transfers that we're discussing other teams prospective signings

[plymouth wanderer]

Was Elmo worth the money we spent.....

Is he better than any of the strikers we currently have..... by a country fvcking mile


Is he good enough for Norwich.....Easily a snippet for half a mill ( obviously depends on wages)

[thebish]

Are we that desperate for transfers that we're discussing other teams prospective signings

aye! since Nixon's den was closed down - we're gagging for it!!

[StaffsTrotter]

I look back on him like Petrov; lots of skill, nice movement and such but rarely any end product. Even under Coyle when he played better. He contributed more than Petrov IMO, but in a similar way underwhelmed despite the potential and promise. Scored some nice goals though, that one against Wolves is one of the best I've ever seen.

If he'd had all three,how long would we have been able to kepp him at Bolton anyway?

or, in the spirit of belittling ourselves, if he had all 3, would we have had him in the 1st place ?

Not belittling ourselves ST, just accepting a financial reality. That's football.

Don't think its all about the money though. I'd actually throw in the personal/ time dimensions as well, in that its very rare for a player to have all 3 consistently throughout a career anyway. Any player is capable of any of them, but strikes me as large measure of circumstance & luck for it to come together at a particular club. Think of McGinlay, Walker, Holden. Was not much money involved but it it came together here, would it have elsewhere.

[StaffsTrotter]

Are we that desperate for transfers that we're discussing other teams prospective signings

aye! since Nixon's den was closed down - we're gagging for it!!

Notice all quiet on a number of forums. As was said any number of times to anti-Nixonites, at least he was keeping us fed with tittle tattle on our club. Without him what have we got

Could be of course that we just aren't doing anything

[LeverEnd]

Success or failure is judged on what a player produces in relation to expectations. These were justifiably high due to transfer fee, reputation and wages, and half a season of form doesn't match up. So a failure in my view all things considered. Not all his fault though (Megson!), and he's a decent player, just didn't show it nearly often enough for us.

[thebish]

I went to see him do a turn with a Q&A session tagged on, thought he was great value, funny as f*ck.

Peterborough director of football Barry Fry helped deliver his granddaughter when his daughter Amber and her partner - Brighton striker Craig Mackail-Smith - were too late to reach hospital for the birth.

[Tombwfc]

Coyle only played him out of his natural position a handful of times and that was only to facilitate the best goalscorer we've had at this club since Anelka. Even so he still performed admirably and in the same capacity that people are arguing Rooney should just get on and deal with it, so did Elmo.

Tbh Elmander didn't see through anything. He bolted for more money, a champions league side and a fresh start away from an atmosphere that had at times (albeit in the minority) proven hostile to him except for his purple patch before christmas. He was only around during Owens peak so don't think he can be credited with some great fore-sight, it was purely personal.

I'm not bitter but if he wanted to stay he could have.

I don't think we ever gave him a serious offer.

From what I remember from the stories at the time (and a radio interview he did) Eddie Davies wasn't the biggest Elmander fan in the world and bizarrely seemed to hold the player responsible for the money we paid for him, as opposed to either Gartside or Megson.

[Enoch]

I went to see him do a turn with a Q&A session tagged on, thought he was great value, funny as f*ck.

Peterborough director of football Barry Fry helped deliver his granddaughter when his daughter Amber and her partner - Brighton striker Craig Mackail-Smith - were too late to reach hospital for the birth.

That sounds more like an A&E session!

[mlloyd1965]

Bolton and Leeds looking to do a swap deal Mills for peltier