Dougie Freedman - Ten Months On

[Lord Kangana]

To be fsir he was one of the constants on the way up too. I fear that a reasonable discussion of our chairman is nigh on impossible though, so good luck with that.

[Prufrock]

There's pleeenty to worry about; we wouldn't be happy if there wasn't. It isn't a binary position though. Do bad: sack the manager. Do good: wait till we do bad.

[Il Pirate]

[quote="Prufrock"]There's pleeenty to worry about; we wouldn't be happy if there wasn't. It isn't a binary position though. Do bad: sack the manager. Do good: wait till we do bad.[/quote]



Are you lost in Smokin' Frazier world??

[Prufrock]

I thought the semi-colon gave my first sentence good structure.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I thought the semi-colon gave my first sentence good structure.

It did.

[jaffka]

I like giving the manager time, but Duggie is making it very difficult.

Strange decisions like Knight as captain, raving about N'Gog, persisting with Wheater and Knight, Baptiste obviously struggling at right back.

Feck me, he is making the finger itch for the being fired button.

[Bruce Rioja]

In itself it shouldn't be an unplanned expenditure: presumably we'd just have to negotiate a pay-off, maybe half his wages like Keith Andrews, and promote Jimmy Phillips.

Nonsense. Megson wasn't prepared to 'just negotiate a pay-off' was he?!

[a1]

The one constant and major denominator, throughout our demise from european participants and top four premiership contenders, to bottom of the chumpionship, can't score, can't win, we are shite and worried every time we play, type of team, is Gartside.

its since duckworth went.

[Hoboh]

F off F man!

[chester white]

We've got two home games up next. If we don't win either of those, the crowd will have turned on Freedman and they'll force Gartside's hand.

Again, a lot of truth here. Felt to me against QPR that many were waiting to be impressed, and it's a dangerous situation when you get the spectating equivalent of "floating voters". They may start by scapegoating players rather than the manager but it's not long till what was very recently the best fortress we've had in a generation becomes a place the players hate to be. And that isn't good considering that in away games we appear to be unutterably w*nk.

There'll be a fortnight of hand-wringing and forum face-offs and hopeful managerial quotes but the first 10 minutes of that first home game will say a hell of a lot more. And Leeds will not be easy opponents.

Genuine question, and I don't have a problem with Gartside.... but when do we start to question his appointments?

[Enoch]

I thought the semi-colon gave my first sentence good structure.

Don't you be coming round here with your semi-colons; folk won't have a clue what you're on about!

[Hoboh]

We've got two home games up next. If we don't win either of those, the crowd will have turned on Freedman and they'll force Gartside's hand.

Again, a lot of truth here. Felt to me against QPR that many were waiting to be impressed, and it's a dangerous situation when you get the spectating equivalent of "floating voters". They may start by scapegoating players rather than the manager but it's not long till what was very recently the best fortress we've had in a generation becomes a place the players hate to be. And that isn't good considering that in away games we appear to be unutterably w*nk.

There'll be a fortnight of hand-wringing and forum face-offs and hopeful managerial quotes but the first 10 minutes of that first home game will say a hell of a lot more. And Leeds will not be easy opponents.

Genuine question, and I don't have a problem with Gartside.... but when do we start to question his appointments?

The second he appointed Megson
Gartside likes his 'yes men', those who don't rock the boat in any way, Sam did so a parting of ways happend.

[boltonboris]

He seems to be turning into Coyle MKII. Baffling set up, standardised subs based on favouritism. Complete ignorance of the defence. Sat on the bench scratching his head without a clue what's going on.

The similarities are becoming startling.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

In itself it shouldn't be an unplanned expenditure: presumably we'd just have to negotiate a pay-off, maybe half his wages like Keith Andrews, and promote Jimmy Phillips.

Nonsense. Megson wasn't prepared to 'just negotiate a pay-off' was he?!

No, but he was an ornery bastard being stubborn to make a point (and didn't exactly have clubs banging down his door). Many managers have been paid off. Ask Abramovich.

True, he's got more money than Eddie, but not all managers who get sacked get paid in full, even from the Great Russian Oil Teat, even the ones who hold out for as much as possible. It's a negotiation.

What I'm saying is that when we signed a contract with Freedman we will have accounted for it, so it's not like we can't afford to continue paying his wages. True, we may not have accounted for the costs of paying a replacement, too, but that's why I mentioned Jiminho rather than Mourinho.

[bobo the clown]

He seems to be turning into Coyle MKII. Baffling set up, standardised subs based on favouritism. Complete ignorance of the defence. Sat on the bench scratching his head without a clue what's going on.

The similarities are becoming startling.

It's his fundamentalism regarding defensive systems which worries me. He sets out, a-la George Graham, hoping for a 1-0.

Now, I wouldn't enjoy that IF IT WORKED but until he sorts the defence and starts giving his forwards half a chance of getting service by not blocking the midfield with holding players we'll neither score goals nor attain the 'nils' required for holding onto.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

It's his fundamentalism regarding defensive systems which worries me. He sets out, a-la George Graham, hoping for a 1-0.

Now, I wouldn't enjoy that IF IT WORKED but until he sorts the defence and starts giving his forwards half a chance of getting service by not blocking the midfield with holding players we'll neither score goals nor attain the 'nils' required for holding onto.

agree, but it was better this week than last - two changes before the hour.

[Worthy4England]

For a Club such as ours, I think unless you obviously land on someone who's on a roll, it's much of a muchness.

So why did we bring him in then?

No lose gamble against the last clueless fecker.

The 'clueless fecker's' team beat Forest today. Remind me how we got on against them.

The 'clueless fecker's' team isn't one he assembled yet, think less than half the starting 11 - give it time - he was ok here setting up a team someone else had assembled. Not sure why I'd need to remind you about the Forest score, unless you're getting a bit forgetful, it was only two weeks ago that we played them.

I'm happy we got rid of Coyle, because he was doing shit. I'll be similarly be happy to get rid of Freedman for the same reason. It's not really and either/or equation, the correct answer could be neither.

[the-Bowtun-Warrior]

He simply feels the 'right guy' in charge for me.
Hard to explain.

Like all managers there are decisions I will question but with who wouldn't we?

He just feels like its gonna come right in the end. It's certainly a project but I have confidence he will see it through.

What the flying flubbed was I thinking? Can tell I was bladdered on a Friday night when I wrote this.
If he's the right guy, I wouldn't like to the see the wrong guy. Disaster.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

No no no, my warlike friend. You can't change your mind and admit to it. You have to have one opinion, preferably binary; you have to mention it in every post; and you stick to it whatever happens. (If circumstance doesn't suit, then either hide or bang a different drum.)

[Tombwfc]

Have I missed something and it's not still August and 5 games in?

I'm not saying sack the manager, but if your ambitions are promotion, or even a play-off spot, you can't have too many periods where you take two points from five games. The season has barely started and we're already edging closer (once again) to the point where we'll need to go at two points a game just to make the play-offs.