The Duggie Poll

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Duggie, should he be sacked or not?

Sack him?
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Keep him?
47
66%
 
Total votes: 71

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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by gizmothevoomer » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:47 pm

SmokinFrazier wrote:He's a terrible manager and should have been sacked weeks ago. I think he's the worst manager in the Championship and when he is sacked, he'll have a hard time finding a job in the future. He's got a lot to learn.
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by CrazyHorse » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:26 pm

Sounds bang on the money to me.
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by thebish » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:30 pm

CrazyHorse wrote:Sounds bang on the money to me.
well - apart from the fact that you don't want him sacked! :D

also - that would mean you think he's worse than Coyle - which you may well think - but would surprise me! (last time SF declared that Coyle is better than Freedman - you laughed at SF...)
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by Il Pirate » Sun Oct 27, 2013 7:30 pm

thebish wrote:
SmokinFrazier wrote:He's a terrible manager and should have been sacked weeks ago. I think he's the worst manager in the Championship and when he is sacked, he'll have a hard time finding a job in the future. He's got a lot to learn.

^ see - told you!

SF - why not go round and offer yourself as a mentor for Dougie? the older, wiser, more knowledgeable guy helping out the younger folk?



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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by Harry Genshaw » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:06 pm

I'm still in the back him camp. Just.

He's got 2 more games for me. Any less than 4 pts and I'm out.
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by CrazyHorse » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:09 pm

thebish wrote:
CrazyHorse wrote:Sounds bang on the money to me.
well - apart from the fact that you don't want him sacked! :D

also - that would mean you think he's worse than Coyle - which you may well think - but would surprise me! (last time SF declared that Coyle is better than Freedman - you laughed at SF...)
He's not worse than Coyle. Although he's trying his best to steal that mantle off him.
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by boltonboris » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:48 pm

thebish wrote:
CrazyHorse wrote:Sounds bang on the money to me.
well - apart from the fact that you don't want him sacked! :D

also - that would mean you think he's worse than Coyle - which you may well think - but would surprise me! (last time SF declared that Coyle is better than Freedman - you laughed at SF...)
Well Dougie has less points in more games. Both this season and last
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by scotty » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:50 pm

Harry Genshaw wrote:I'm still in the back him camp. Just.

He's got 2 more games for me. Any less than 4 pts and I'm out.
Yep this is where I'm at at the moment. Should really be beating Bournemouth and Millwall but when you don't gets wins against Yeovil, Sheff wed and Ipswich at home you really do wonder.

It's clear the players aren't playing for him or buying into his ideas anymore. All the big name players (Eagles, Ngog, Lee, even Spearing to an extent) are struggling for form or don't look interested. This is the time when managers really earn their money.
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:52 pm

Lose at Bournemouth and he's a dead man walking for me. I've made my mind up, that's the parameters.

I don't care what other wonderful stuff he's doing, like giving the canteen a good clean, and keeping the dressing room really, really tidy (not to mention his office. Have you seen his office? Have you? F*cking perfect.) It doesn't really matter - a long enough period of bad results, and the rot will set in.We're already in danger of ending up in a relegation battle. It could end up a lost one. Poor football, combined with bad results will see crowds dwindle.

One more game, and then I say we roll the dice again if we get nowt.
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by Worthy4England » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:56 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:Lose at Bournemouth and he's a dead man walking for me. I've made my mind up, that's the parameters.

I don't care what other wonderful stuff he's doing, like giving the canteen a good clean, and keeping the dressing room really, really tidy (not to mention his office. Have you seen his office? Have you? F*cking perfect.) It doesn't really matter - a long enough period of bad results, and the rot will set in.We're already in danger of ending up in a relegation battle. It could end up a lost one. Poor football, combined with bad results will see crowds dwindle.

One more game, and then I say we roll the dice again if we get nowt.
We didn't lose in October - a full month. He could be on for Manager of the Month. That'll fcuk the next game, good n proper.

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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by Lord Kangana » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:58 pm

Scary - our best run of results so far this season, and we're still out of the relegation zone on goal difference (or is it a point? Whichever, its still f*cking rubbish).
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by Jez » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:12 pm

Worthy4England wrote:We didn't lose in October - a full month. He could be on for Manager of the Month. That'll fcuk the next game, good n proper.
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by LeverEnd » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:25 pm

Just spotted this on Twitter, or twatter as some of you have been known to refer to it, appropriately in this instance.... :lol:

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No bog roll on train. Someone has provided torn up newspaper instead. Dougie Freedman, I don't know you, but your face has been on my foof.
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by bobo the clown » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:27 pm

LeverEnd wrote:Just spotted this on Twitter, or twatter as some of you have been known to refer to it, appropriately in this instance.... :lol:

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No bog roll on train. Someone has provided torn up newspaper instead. Dougie Freedman, I don't know you, but your face has been on my foof.
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So, is that a 'for' or 'against vote ?
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by LeverEnd » Sun Oct 27, 2013 11:09 pm

bobo the clown wrote:
LeverEnd wrote:Just spotted this on Twitter, or twatter as some of you have been known to refer to it, appropriately in this instance.... :lol:

Mrs M ‏@McTinks 6h
No bog roll on train. Someone has provided torn up newspaper instead. Dougie Freedman, I don't know you, but your face has been on my foof.
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So, is that a 'for' or 'against vote ?
As a No.1 (see 'foof') I'd say 'For', No.2 would have been against!!
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:17 am

Still just about backing him. I don't know how long for. We seem to have some deep-rooted problems; the internet jury is definitely out on whether he's the man to change that long-term, assuming we manage to stay up this season.

Weirdly it would feel very different if we were two places lower, as I suppose we would be but for that five-game unbeaten run (why, that's almost half the season, chaps). Some might call that complacency among the fans; others might say there's a dearth of alternatives, or willingness to chop and change...

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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by Lord Kangana » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:28 am

Wouldn't we be bottom of the league with only 3 less points than we have now? I don't really know (or perhapa understand) exactly when at a massive rebuilding job entails at a football club. The bricks and mortar structures pretty much remain the same, so after the first couple of weeks installing your new training methods, what exactly do you spend the next 11 1/2 months doing?

It would be really good to actually get some kind of explanation as to what takes 12 months bur doesn't involbe improving the first team, us being a football club and everything.
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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by StaffsTrotter » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:46 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:Still just about backing him. I don't know how long for. We seem to have some deep-rooted problems; the internet jury is definitely out on whether he's the man to change that long-term, assuming we manage to stay up this season.

Weirdly it would feel very different if we were two places lower, as I suppose we would be but for that five-game unbeaten run (why, that's almost half the season, chaps). Some might call that complacency among the fans; others might say there's a dearth of alternatives, or willingness to chop and change...
Is an interesting one. I thought the fans overall were much the same with Coyle ie. pretty supportive. Its only after he's gone that a majority seem to have decided he was the architect of our decline and a charlatan.

Strikes me that how the manager communicates with the fans seems to be as big a factor as results. Would Megson have been given slack if his results had been the same ? As Bananarama put it - it seems its not what you do, its the way that you do it

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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by bedwetter2 » Mon Oct 28, 2013 11:06 am

At the moment I am in the keep him camp. I still think there is a good manager in there struggling to get out although he really isn't helping himself with his negative tactics (perhaps resulting from an obsession with certain Italian 'grind 'em out' tactics).

If things follow in the way that the second half of last season did, a number of draws in which the defence was stabilised were followed by a purple patch of wins very nearly resulting in the play-offs. This time he has longer to achieve the same outcome or better. The next few games will determine whether history is about to repeat itself.

I think it could go either way but right now I wouldn't bet against a steady rise up the table starting in late November. No improvement before the January window and he is dead meat.

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Re: The Duggie Poll

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:15 pm

His preferred tactics do seem to lend themselves more to away games, where there's also generally more positive support. And in that sentence lie two Freedman weaknesses: firstly, lack of flexibility; secondly, lack of fun at home. It would really help his cause (and ours) if some more away wins made the table and atmosphere a bit better.

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