Freedman out!

[Harry Genshaw]

At the fans forum in pre season amidst much mirth (& groans) from the audience, he announced Zat Knight would be captain. He then eulogised about Ngog and what a special talent he was. At some point he referred to not liking the loan system due to developing other clubs players.

It all adds up to him being a bit of a chancer really

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

“I’m asking the players to do something they haven’t really been doing before and that’s moving the ball from the back,”

Ah, now I understand why the passing sequence often takes the format: Lonergan, McN, Dans, Spearing,Pratley, Chungy, Eagles, Moritz,Chungy, Eagles, Mills, Ream, Mills, Lonergan. Repeat. .......So good we have to do it all again.

14 passes in a row? All to a white shirt? You're accumulating a season's worth of passes there surely?

[LeverEnd]

At the fans forum in pre season amidst much mirth (& groans) from the audience, he announced Zat Knight would be captain. He then eulogised about Ngog and what a special talent he was. At some point he referred to not liking the loan system due to developing other clubs players.

It all adds up to him being a bit of a chancer really

Over the season defence midfield, attack and goalkeeper have completely changed. Formation has changed, flavour-of-the-month players have fallen out of favour, various of them declared potential saviours, ready to take off etc. We've brought in loans against his stated preferred policy. In Mason's case a promising highly-rated player is made to look ordinary in a lower league as he chases shadows while the big signing sits on the bench only a few weeks after Dougie's 'I told you so speech'. That was one of several false dawns.
The one constant in all this that hasn't been changed is the manager and coaching staff. Let's hope ED agrees that this needs to be the next step, because all DF can do now is restart that whole process, probably with the same results.

[Lord Kangana]

I remember being shouted down for suggesting that despite what was being said, what was being done was just the same as before. Exhibit A - Mason.

What was it? Why are we loaning in other clubs promising young players to improve them for someone else, at the expense of our own? Well, why are we still? Is it because we're just doing what we've always done?

[TANGODANCER]

“I’m asking the players to do something they haven’t really been doing before and that’s moving the ball from the back,”

Ah, now I understand why the passing sequence often takes the format: Lonergan, McN, Dans, Spearing,Pratley, Chungy, Eagles, Moritz,Chungy, Eagles, Mills, Ream, Mills, Lonergan. Repeat. .......So good we have to do it all again.

14 passes in a row? All to a white shirt? You're accumulating a season's worth of passes there surely?

Actually, AT, with typing such things on Radio Tango my fingers go there automatically. Most times the sentences end: goal-kick, throw in, comes to naught or, as last week, Chungy almost nails a police helicopter with a shot....

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Actually, AT, with typing such things on Radio Tango my fingers go there automatically. Most times the sentences end: goal-kick, throw in, comes to naught or, as last week, Chungy almost nails a police helicopter with a shot....

[SmokinFrazier]

I think we have a decent manager who can tak us back to the PL. Not execting it this season and axing him will be another backward step. It would be like trying to out the fire and not address the real problem.

The real problem is that our players are not that good. We get 3 no name loaners who outshine all the star "premireship" players we have at our club.

Get rid of the players whose contracts expire in the summer. Then bring in players with some talent, guts and consistency. I will judge DF after that and not on what he has inherited from bad decisions made by past managers.

When Freedman came in, our squad was comprised of players who had almost survived a relegation battle in the Premier League, so it's not like they're dross. Bogdan, Knight, Ream, Wheater, Ricketts, Lee, N'gog, Davies, Petrov, Eagles and Alonso were all players Freedman had and yet did nothing with them. If the players aren't good enough to be beating Championship sides, then surely Owen Coyle did a marvelous job with us, seeing as we only narrowly avoided relegation in a better league? Would you, or anyone else, say that? I doubt it. You'd probably say that Coyle underachieved because we shouldn't have been relegated with the squad of players we had, yet under Freedman, that squad has changed to be lazy, uninterested and talentless.

The squad we have is easily good enough to be in the top 10 teams in the league. I think we should be around the play off spots, yet the big problem we have is yet another talentless manager. Statistically, he's one of the worst in the league and that shows in our performances.

[SmokinFrazier]

Chances? What f*cking chances?

Joseph "Joe" Mason - Height 5 ft 10 in (1.78 m)

Up against;

Michael Brian Morrison - Height 6 ft in (1.83 m)

and;

Richard Wood - Height 6 ft 3 in (1.91 m)

All those clean-cut chances that we twatted up to Mason in the air, of course. Anyone would think that Mason doesn't even want to be here, the lazy tw*t!

In his interview after the Charlton game, Freedman was talking about how we are a passing side or something ludicrous like that...no, we aren't, we still hoof the ball up at any opportunity, regardless of whether we have a player suitable to be a target man or not. Freedman obviously thinks the fans are idiots but even by his standards that was ridiculous.

[LeverEnd]

I remember being shouted down for suggesting that despite what was being said, what was being done was just the same as before. Exhibit A - Mason.

What was it? Why are we loaning in other clubs promising young players to improve them for someone else, at the expense of our own? Well, why are we still? Is it because we're just doing what we've always done?

When he first came in and we weren't getting results I felt that performances were improving and results would come. They did eventually, but this time he's taken the team backwards, signed players 'of a certain DNA' and then dropped them. He's begged and borrowed, he says, to provide a boost to a squad short on confidence. This worked to some extent as a short-term fix, but long-term it just leaves us in a mess again as soon as they leave. There has been no coherent development of the squad, nor of the one-dimensional playing style, and individual players are getting worse.
I'm all for giving a guy some time, but when he's been in over a year and is going backwards, enough is enough.

[thebish]

I remember being shouted down...

false memory syndrome is a terrible thing!

[jaffka]

He is looking like a giant duck egg.

[irie Cee Bee]

I think we have a decent manager who can tak us back to the PL. Not execting it this season and axing him will be another backward step. It would be like trying to out the fire and not address the real problem.

The real problem is that our players are not that good. We get 3 no name loaners who outshine all the star "premireship" players we have at our club.

Get rid of the players whose contracts expire in the summer. Then bring in players with some talent, guts and consistency. I will judge DF after that and not on what he has inherited from bad decisions made by past managers.

When Freedman came in, our squad was comprised of players who had almost survived a relegation battle in the Premier League, so it's not like they're dross. Bogdan, Knight, Ream, Wheater, Ricketts, Lee, N'gog, Davies, Petrov, Eagles and Alonso were all players Freedman had and yet did nothing with them. If the players aren't good enough to be beating Championship sides, then surely Owen Coyle did a marvelous job with us, seeing as we only narrowly avoided relegation in a better league? Would you, or anyone else, say that? I doubt it. You'd probably say that Coyle underachieved because we shouldn't have been relegated with the squad of players we had, yet under Freedman, that squad has changed to be lazy, uninterested and talentless.

The squad we have is easily good enough to be in the top 10 teams in the league. I think we should be around the play off spots, yet the big problem we have is yet another talentless manager. Statistically, he's one of the worst in the league and that shows in our performances.

If the players were that good, why is it that the only players anyone in the top tier were interested in when we dropped was Alonso and Mark Davies?

All I am saying is that we are not as good as we think we are. We need some better quality players. DF has brought in some players with very little funds available. If the players on big contracts move on, and we get some good players in, then I will judge DF.

[TANGODANCER]

Shout it down if you will, but pointless possession keeping develops a bunch of strolling players
who have to break into a gallop when danger looms or when we decide to give notice of an attack by a display of maypole dancing around the centre circle. The long game needs a good target man and speedy assistance, but at least it keeps the players on the move. Neither one or the other, but a combination of both would be nice. That's what football used to be about. Dougie shouldn't be announcing to opposition teams anything about how we play. Let em find out the hard way.

[bobo the clown]

I think we have a decent manager who can tak us back to the PL. Not execting it this season and axing him will be another backward step. It would be like trying to out the fire and not address the real problem.

The real problem is that our players are not that good. We get 3 no name loaners who outshine all the star "premireship" players we have at our club.

Get rid of the players whose contracts expire in the summer. Then bring in players with some talent, guts and consistency. I will judge DF after that and not on what he has inherited from bad decisions made by past managers.

When Freedman came in, our squad was comprised of players who had almost survived a relegation battle in the Premier League, so it's not like they're dross. Bogdan, Knight, Ream, Wheater, Ricketts, Lee, N'gog, Davies, Petrov, Eagles and Alonso were all players Freedman had and yet did nothing with them. If the players aren't good enough to be beating Championship sides, then surely Owen Coyle did a marvelous job with us, seeing as we only narrowly avoided relegation in a better league? Would you, or anyone else, say that? I doubt it. You'd probably say that Coyle underachieved because we shouldn't have been relegated with the squad of players we had, yet under Freedman, that squad has changed to be lazy, uninterested and talentless.

The squad we have is easily good enough to be in the top 10 teams in the league. I think we should be around the play off spots, yet the big problem we have is yet another talentless manager. Statistically, he's one of the worst in the league and that shows in our performances.

That's fair enough ire but this team IS essentially his.

For me we are fully able to judge him here & now ... y'know like after 12 months in the job.

[LeverEnd]

All I am saying is that we are not as good as we think we are. We need some better quality players. DF has brought in some players with very little funds available. If the players on big contracts move on, and we get some good players in, then I will judge DF.

We do need better quality players to challenge the top 2, but to be where we are right now with the players we have is unacceptable. We have enough to be pushing the playoffs. He has brought players in and all those players have been a let-down. The only success stories this season have been the loan players, which he has been quite clear he would rather not have to rely on.
He's run out of excuses. Good luck to the guy,but please, somewhere else.

[Hoboh]

Merry Christmas Duggie

[Lord Kangana]

I remember being shouted down...

false memory syndrome is a terrible thing!

Well try to remember things a bit better then.

[Thor]

Dougie's words after Palace beat us with a late penalty just a few weeks before jumping ship last season were: "We've played against Cardiff, Nottingham Forest and Middlesbrough over the last few weeks and that was by far our toughest challenge.
"There is no doubt in my mind that they will be in the top two or three at the end of the season and this has to be our biggest scalp so far this campaign."
So sounds like he thought the squad here was a good one and probably only in need of minor change to get automatic promotion last season?

[irie Cee Bee]

Dougie's words after Palace beat us with a late penalty just a few weeks before jumping ship last season were: "We've played against Cardiff, Nottingham Forest and Middlesbrough over the last few weeks and that was by far our toughest challenge.
"There is no doubt in my mind that they will be in the top two or three at the end of the season and this has to be our biggest scalp so far this campaign."
So sounds like he thought the squad here was a good one and probably only in need of minor change to get automatic promotion last season?

He did, as we all believed at the time. Some on us still do. It sounds like he still does too. From the evidence in front of me, I dont. We need more steel in our side (mentally). We are too soft when the teams we face dont roll over and die in front of us.

[irie Cee Bee]

Also, the moment our home support gets on their case when things are not going well, they seem to wilt and want to hide. Our team needs some individuals with guts.