Freedman out!

[Lord Kangana]

The difference being?

[jaffka]

The difference being?

Half ounce as opposed to a quarter.

[Lord Kangana]

Makes sense.

Anyway, its clear that scoring an extra goal is massive progress on last year. The extra 2 goals conceded are just a distraction from the main event.

[a1]

The difference being?

if we'dve won that we wouldve -probably- gone into the playoffs.

[Lord Kangana]

But this time out it puts us closer to the relegation zone than to the last play off place. I would suggest that's worse.

[a1]

nah, theres loads to go and lose yet before that happens, last seasons game was , i think , the second to last game of the season.

to me , it were kinda like the wba at home game , where it really mattered, this game just gone is too 'in the middle of the season' to tell.

get the home games won. that , is the more important.

[jaffka]

nah, theres loads to go and lose yet before that happens, last seasons game was , i think , the second to last game of the season.

to me , it were kinda like the wba at home game , where it really mattered, this game just gone is too 'in the middle of the season' to tell.

get the home games won. that , is the more important.

So the only important games of the season are the last few

It appears to me that we are worse this year than last year.

[a1]

only becoz the home form's really shite.

maybe shouldnt be losing to huddersfield at home , owt from leicester away wouldve been a bonus.

i'd want them to mend the home form, over going mad that we've lost by two to the top of the league moneybags.

january looks tough as.

[gizmothevoomer]

Having gone back and looked at The Championship table from last season after 23 Games we are 2 places and 3 points worse off, now whilst I do not think that we will get relegated under Dougie, I have grave doubts on us getting anywhere near the play offs under him this season.

Our current position and and points tally are below what is acceptable from the group of players we have at the Reebok currently, I am not saying under a different manager we would be top six automatically but we should be challenging for a top six place.

The board should be looking quite seriously at replacing Dougie at this point, but we should only change manager if we can get a quality manager with a proven record. If not we need to stay with Dougie and look to build for the future.

I have no doubt Dougie will become a fine manager but he, the club and the fans have are being let down by players not playing to their potential. Whether that is down to Dougie or something else within the club I don't know, but senior players who are under performing were at the club under previous managers.

[Sponge]

Having gone back and looked at The Championship table from last season after 23 Games we are 2 places and 3 points worse off, now whilst I do not think that we will get relegated under Dougie, I have grave doubts on us getting anywhere near the play offs under him this season.

Our current position and and points tally are below what is acceptable from the group of players we have at the Reebok currently, I am not saying under a different manager we would be top six automatically but we should be challenging for a top six place.

The board should be looking quite seriously at replacing Dougie at this point, but we should only change manager if we can get a quality manager with a proven record. If not we need to stay with Dougie and look to build for the future.

I have no doubt Dougie will become a fine manager but he, the club and the fans have are being let down by players not playing to their potential. Whether that is down to Dougie or something else within the club I don't know, but senior players who are under performing were at the club under previous managers.

And this is why I'm still not at the Dougie-out stage. Not one person on this forum, even when challenged, has proposed a viable replacement.

[SmokinFrazier]

Having gone back and looked at The Championship table from last season after 23 Games we are 2 places and 3 points worse off, now whilst I do not think that we will get relegated under Dougie, I have grave doubts on us getting anywhere near the play offs under him this season.

Our current position and and points tally are below what is acceptable from the group of players we have at the Reebok currently, I am not saying under a different manager we would be top six automatically but we should be challenging for a top six place.

The board should be looking quite seriously at replacing Dougie at this point, but we should only change manager if we can get a quality manager with a proven record. If not we need to stay with Dougie and look to build for the future.

I have no doubt Dougie will become a fine manager but he, the club and the fans have are being let down by players not playing to their potential. Whether that is down to Dougie or something else within the club I don't know, but senior players who are under performing were at the club under previous managers.

And this is why I'm still not at the Dougie-out stage. Not one person on this forum, even when challenged, has proposed a viable replacement.

BL3 specifically mentioned McCarthy after Coyle got sacked and was laughed at for it, yet look at the job he's done. Similarly, I mentioned McClaren at the time yet he was another who most fans on here dismissed. Pulis had been mentioned recently and he would have been another great choice, and as our season could have been saved and there weren't vacancies in the Premier League, I'm sure he'd have considered it.

I don't think we need a top quality manager to take over though. Our starting 11 could be Lonergan, Baptiste, Mills, Ream, Tierney, Spearing, Davies, Chungy, Moritz, Eagles and Beckford. We don't need Heynckes or Bielsa to get us into the play-offs, we have a very strong first 11 for this league and a good squad too. We just need someone who isn't utterly clueless, which Freedman is. A solid manager would be perfectly adequate. Nobody on here likes him, and I'm not a fan either, but someone like Holloway would at least get us playing good football and under him, we'd have had a good chance of promotion so it's not like we should stick with Freedman unless we can get a top quality replacement.

[Thor]

Malky Mackay or Steve Clarke would do for me right now. This season's probably a write off, but it gives them time to prepare for next season!

[Tombwfc]

Having gone back and looked at The Championship table from last season after 23 Games we are 2 places and 3 points worse off, now whilst I do not think that we will get relegated under Dougie, I have grave doubts on us getting anywhere near the play offs under him this season.

Our current position and and points tally are below what is acceptable from the group of players we have at the Reebok currently, I am not saying under a different manager we would be top six automatically but we should be challenging for a top six place.

The board should be looking quite seriously at replacing Dougie at this point, but we should only change manager if we can get a quality manager with a proven record. If not we need to stay with Dougie and look to build for the future.

I have no doubt Dougie will become a fine manager but he, the club and the fans have are being let down by players not playing to their potential. Whether that is down to Dougie or something else within the club I don't know, but senior players who are under performing were at the club under previous managers.

And this is why I'm still not at the Dougie-out stage. Not one person on this forum, even when challenged, has proposed a viable replacement.

Nonsense. People have been posting viable alternatives for months on end - from McCarthy to Pulis to McClaren to Warnock to Zola to Clarke to Malky.

Currently out of work I believe the following would do a better job than Dougie...

Malky Mackay
Steve Clarke
Neil Warnock
Ian Holloway

And to be honest there are plenty of others who wouldn't be my first choice, but I'd be confident they could do a better job (Souness, Di Canio, O'Driscoll). Christ, you could even look at someone like Tony Mowbray, who has his flaws but also a win percentage of just about 40% or higher at every club he's been at. When you have someone so ordinary in charge, there are plenty of options out there.

Out of interest, is there anybody who wants Dougie to stay because they think he's doing a good job and that he (specifically him) is the right person for the job?

It just seems like any time you hear someone say they don't want him to go, it's for a reason that has nothing to do with the man himself at all ('There's nobody else'/'You can't sack a manager every year').

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Having gone back and looked at The Championship table from last season after 23 Games we are 2 places and 3 points worse off, now whilst I do not think that we will get relegated under Dougie, I have grave doubts on us getting anywhere near the play offs under him this season.

Our current position and and points tally are below what is acceptable from the group of players we have at the Reebok currently, I am not saying under a different manager we would be top six automatically but we should be challenging for a top six place.

The board should be looking quite seriously at replacing Dougie at this point, but we should only change manager if we can get a quality manager with a proven record. If not we need to stay with Dougie and look to build for the future.

I have no doubt Dougie will become a fine manager but he, the club and the fans have are being let down by players not playing to their potential. Whether that is down to Dougie or something else within the club I don't know, but senior players who are under performing were at the club under previous managers.

And this is why I'm still not at the Dougie-out stage. Not one person on this forum, even when challenged, has proposed a viable replacement.

Nonsense. People have been posting viable alternatives for months on end - from McCarthy to Pulis to McClaren to Warnock to Zola to Clarke to Malky.

Currently out of work I believe the following would do a better job than Dougie...

Malky Mackay
Steve Clarke
Neil Warnock
Ian Holloway

And to be honest there are plenty of others who wouldn't be my first choice, but I'd be confident they could do a better job (Souness, Di Canio, O'Driscoll). Christ, you could even look at someone like Tony Mowbray, who has his flaws but also a win percentage of just about 40% or higher at every club he's been at. When you have someone so ordinary in charge, there are plenty of options out there.

Out of interest, is there anybody who wants Dougie to stay because they think he's doing a good job and that he (specifically him) is the right person for the job?

It just seems like any time you hear someone say they don't want him to go, it's for a reason that has nothing to do with the man himself at all ('There's nobody else'/'You can't sack a manager every year').

You lost any credibility right there

[boltonboris]

I've got a feeling he'll go today, me.

[bwfcdan94]

He sounded very depressed on t'radio, positive message as usual but delivered in a way that makes you think he has lost hope ion the cause.

[Lord Kangana]

I've got a feeling he'll go today, me.

Nah, short of relegation, I think he'll stay no matter how incompetent he is at actually managing a football team.

[officer_dibble]

Im with LK. I think Gartside is at last chance saloon with this appointment as well, so he wont be sacked.

He might walk if it gets embarrassing.

[Lord Kangana]

I wish I was with Tom though!

It comes to something when Neil Warnock becomes a credible and viable alternative. I'd certainly expect him to sort this shower out a bit more effectively.

[wigan white]

I've got a feeling he'll go today, me.

I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday, but after more consideration I think Gartside will keep him on , atleast til after the Boro game, as he has to shoulder some of the blame himself. He's chosen 4 ineffective managers in a row and really if Dougie goes then so should Gartside. And that is why Dougie wont be sacked today as Gartside wont want to admit he's got it wrong again.

On another note, what the hell does Lennie Lawrence do???? He's supposedly Dougies "Experience" on the backroom staff, so why in the hell can he not see where Dougie is going wrong and "Advise" him on it?