Freedman out!

[Lord Kangana]

Who was going who Dougie didn't want to though? I think he got the squad he wanted. I think if he'd really wanted Dawson, he wouldn't have asked for the money for Baptiste (by all accounts expensive) Tierney (fom the PL) and given Wheater a new contract.

[LeverEnd]

I can understand why he's still here. I think the run last season deservedly bought him some time. But after 10 games they should have been looking hard at it and once the mini-revival, and his subsequent bragging about how right he'd been, proved to be a mirage, really he should have gone. It won't happen though, I think they'll wait til the end of the season and then he might get cleared out with the big earners.
A case of look at the financials and cross fingers.
I fully expect him to finish the season.

[bobby]

I was at the boro match yesterday and feel the need to stress just how bad a side we have become. No gameplan, no clear tactics, little effort, little quality. After watching the lads play long balls, at home, against a side who weren't threatening on the ball, I can't say I was surprised when we conceded first. After that the crowd should have got behind the team, instead they jeered at Knight. The players too didn't appear to be offering any comfort to him. The team continued under-performing and Zat stole the show with his second mishap.
I was almost embarrassed when we equalised in the last minute after watching such an amateur game of football. Boro were not a good side yesterday and we still struggled to scrape a draw. Yet with the debt I can't see Dougie leaving, and I'm glad for that for the time being. We are not the same team we were 15, 10, or even 3 years ago. I'm 21 and remember our Allardyce seasons prior to promotion. Back then the players had a realistic shot at promotion and worked their socks off for the team, and the fans were behind them. When we got promoted we began to overachieve but when big Sam left and the club didn't invest massively, but chose managers like megson, we were bound to be on a hiding to nothing. Coyle inherited a difficult job and wasn't up to it. We then appointed Dougie who had achieved little in management. Our players have little quality.. How many of them would any PL teams want?
What I consider the task to be, in real terms, is for the manager to assemble a solid team of players hungry to achieve promotion. Yesterday too many players in white shirts didn't give enough of themselves, particularly Eagles. Freedman should aim for a top 12 finish next season and use the summer to rid the club of any player not desperate to achieve promotion. We should be scouting lower leagues, youth teams and the like to find cheap, motivated and talented players. Bring them in and we might even struggle next season, but in time we will establish ourselves as as solid championship side. When that's done we can look at bringing in some quality players, to make a real push for promotion.
Bwfc are in a new phase, totally skint, lacking direction and quality, and we need to acknowledge this and change things to bring unity to the team and a real desire among the players. We simply don't have the money or prestige to achieve this currently without starting from scratch.
I believe that Dougie knows this, and I hope he is the man to dig us out of this mess. I haven't seen much that suggests he is, however I think we are stuck with him for a while, so let's back him. If he goes, who comes in? Which manager would want the job? A skint club whose fans boo their own players, and have deluded ideas on what the team should be achieving. How long do people realistically think it will take us to get back in the PL? We have little to attract an experienced manager now. There's a big job to be done here and chopping and changing managers can't be the right way to do that. I think freedman still has plenty to learn, but that he wants to learn more. I wish he could instil that attitude among the players, and it looks like he can't. Could a better manager do that? Probably, yes. But we're in the gutter and need Dougie to dig us out of it.

[coffeymagic]

I think there are a lot of us casting one eye back to the last time we went on the slide.

Quick turn over of 'promising managers' with 'fine playing pedigrees' or former players, a team built of players who were either coming to the end of their career or not able to cut it at the highest level, club 'legends' moved on, a ground slowly emptying of easily gruntled fans, a board of directors who lurch from one bad choice to another and we've even got a crocked star we'll have to sell for buttons simply to cut the wage bill.

Spiralling debt (we've already invented Lifeline once) dark clouds forming over the fans and players taht are still there and basically it's like the 1980's all over again.

I'm waiting for someone arse in the press to claim we're 'too good to go down' and then I'll know we're really up to our necks in it.

What goes around comes around eh?

Who will be our Warren Joyce now?

Probably Warren Joyce.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think there are a lot of us casting one eye back to the last time we went on the slide.

Quick turn over of 'promising managers' with 'fine playing pedigrees' or former players, a team built of players who were either coming to the end of their career or not able to cut it at the highest level, club 'legends' moved on, a ground slowly emptying of easily gruntled fans, a board of directors who lurch from one bad choice to another and we've even got a crocked star we'll have to sell for buttons simply to cut the wage bill.

Spiralling debt (we've already invented Lifeline once) dark clouds forming over the fans and players taht are still there and basically it's like the 1980's all over again.

I'm waiting for someone arse in the press to claim we're 'too good to go down' and then I'll know we're really up to our necks in it.

What goes around comes around eh?

Who will be our Warren Joyce now?

Probably Warren Joyce.

The debt is not the issue in the main. I mean effectively one of Eddie's companies owes the other. It may be a problem in the future but it isn't for us right now to worry about Eddie's exit plan.

The trouble is FFP which will hurt ex premiership clubs like ourselves very badly. It does feel like we've had our 11 years in the sun and are now very firmly stuck in the cold winters of discontent for the foreseeable.

End of the day it is what supporting a club is all about. Highs and lows, peaks and troughs, the cycle of football and all that. Every club goes through it to some degree or another.

[jaffka]

I think there are a lot of us casting one eye back to the last time we went on the slide.

Quick turn over of 'promising managers' with 'fine playing pedigrees' or former players, a team built of players who were either coming to the end of their career or not able to cut it at the highest level, club 'legends' moved on, a ground slowly emptying of easily gruntled fans, a board of directors who lurch from one bad choice to another and we've even got a crocked star we'll have to sell for buttons simply to cut the wage bill.

Spiralling debt (we've already invented Lifeline once) dark clouds forming over the fans and players taht are still there and basically it's like the 1980's all over again.

I'm waiting for someone arse in the press to claim we're 'too good to go down' and then I'll know we're really up to our necks in it.

What goes around comes around eh?

Who will be our Warren Joyce now?

Probably Warren Joyce.

The debt is not the issue in the main. I mean effectively one of Eddie's companies owes the other. It may be a problem in the future but it isn't for us right now to worry about Eddie's exit plan.

The trouble is FFP which will hurt ex premiership clubs like ourselves very badly. It does feel like we've had our 11 years in the sun and are now very firmly stuck in the cold winters of discontent for the foreseeable.

End of the day it is what supporting a club is all about. Highs and lows, peaks and troughs, the cycle of football and all that. Every club goes through it to some degree or another.

As well as remembering what is really important in life. A football club for me is a hobby, whatever happens to BWFC, if they get relegated or win the champions league isn't going to affect mine or my families quality of life. BWFC is an interest but not the be all and end all of what happens.

[BWFC_Insane]

As well as remembering what is really important in life. A football club for me is a hobby, whatever happens to BWFC, if they get relegated or win the champions league isn't going to affect mine or my families quality of life. BWFC is an interest but not the be all and end all of what happens.

Indeed although in the context of this board it is obviously of paramount importance - but you are right in general. I've learned over the past few months that sometimes you just have to let things happen and take the rough with the smooth, which is a hard lesson for a control freak like me.

But Bolton Wanderers are a bit like that. That is the first time in over a decade I've missed a series of home games and initially I sat at home listening to the radio fretting, not doing myself any good. Then I decided that no matter how much I fret we'll still be cack and lose and I started watching films or sleeping or whatever instead and suddenly I felt better about it. I still was delighted when I checked my phone to find out we'd won or gutted we'd lost but I hope that I'm more philosophical about it all now. I hope anyhow.

We've had a fantastic time since Rioch onwards really when you take what happened before. I suspect I and many took it all for granted at times. We're probably going to find out now that we shouldn't have.

But I'm sure before most of our time's are up BWFC will give us more periods of success and even more low points. It is just what happens. I've still seen Europe and suspect many fans of other clubs would swap that in a heartbeat!

[Enoch]

I see things posted on here regard what's going on within the club, not stated as opinion, but as fact.

These posts never come with provenance, are they, as I suspect, just made up bollocks?

[Lord Kangana]

Which bit in particular do you disagree with?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Who was going who Dougie didn't want to though? I think he got the squad he wanted. I think if he'd really wanted Dawson, he wouldn't have asked for the money for Baptiste (by all accounts expensive) Tierney (fom the PL) and given Wheater a new contract.

While I broadly agree with you, Dawson made it plain he didn't want to come, so DF looked elsewhere. Rare is the manager who doesn't spend what he's given, and our defence obviously needed strengthening.

[Enoch]

Which bit in particular do you disagree with?

Why would I disagree with a made up statement, thereby adding credence to something that is unfounded?

[Lord Kangana]

Which made statement is what I'm asking specifically.

[thebish]

As well as remembering what is really important in life. A football club for me is a hobby, whatever happens to BWFC, if they get relegated or win the champions league isn't going to affect mine or my families quality of life. BWFC is an interest but not the be all and end all of what happens.

indeed - well said that man!

(it's also a crap hobby!)

[bwfcdan94]

I think there are a lot of us casting one eye back to the last time we went on the slide.

Quick turn over of 'promising managers' with 'fine playing pedigrees' or former players, a team built of players who were either coming to the end of their career or not able to cut it at the highest level, club 'legends' moved on, a ground slowly emptying of easily gruntled fans, a board of directors who lurch from one bad choice to another and we've even got a crocked star we'll have to sell for buttons simply to cut the wage bill.

Spiralling debt (we've already invented Lifeline once) dark clouds forming over the fans and players taht are still there and basically it's like the 1980's all over again.

I'm waiting for someone arse in the press to claim we're 'too good to go down' and then I'll know we're really up to our necks in it.

What goes around comes around eh?

Who will be our Warren Joyce now?

Probably Warren Joyce.

The debt is not the issue in the main. I mean effectively one of Eddie's companies owes the other. It may be a problem in the future but it isn't for us right now to worry about Eddie's exit plan.

The trouble is FFP which will hurt ex premiership clubs like ourselves very badly. It does feel like we've had our 11 years in the sun and are now very firmly stuck in the cold winters of discontent for the foreseeable.

End of the day it is what supporting a club is all about. Highs and lows, peaks and troughs, the cycle of football and all that. Every club goes through it to some degree or another.

As well as remembering what is really important in life. A football club for me is a hobby, whatever happens to BWFC, if they get relegated or win the champions league isn't going to affect mine or my families quality of life. BWFC is an interest but not the be all and end all of what happens.

Speak for yourself.

[StaffsTrotter]

Which bit in particular do you disagree with?

Why would I disagree with a made up statement, thereby adding credence to something that is unfounded?

you're not a lawyer or a politician by any chance are you enoch ?

[jaffka]

I think there are a lot of us casting one eye back to the last time we went on the slide.

Quick turn over of 'promising managers' with 'fine playing pedigrees' or former players, a team built of players who were either coming to the end of their career or not able to cut it at the highest level, club 'legends' moved on, a ground slowly emptying of easily gruntled fans, a board of directors who lurch from one bad choice to another and we've even got a crocked star we'll have to sell for buttons simply to cut the wage bill.

Spiralling debt (we've already invented Lifeline once) dark clouds forming over the fans and players taht are still there and basically it's like the 1980's all over again.

I'm waiting for someone arse in the press to claim we're 'too good to go down' and then I'll know we're really up to our necks in it.

What goes around comes around eh?

Who will be our Warren Joyce now?

Probably Warren Joyce.

The debt is not the issue in the main. I mean effectively one of Eddie's companies owes the other. It may be a problem in the future but it isn't for us right now to worry about Eddie's exit plan.

The trouble is FFP which will hurt ex premiership clubs like ourselves very badly. It does feel like we've had our 11 years in the sun and are now very firmly stuck in the cold winters of discontent for the foreseeable.

End of the day it is what supporting a club is all about. Highs and lows, peaks and troughs, the cycle of football and all that. Every club goes through it to some degree or another.

As well as remembering what is really important in life. A football club for me is a hobby, whatever happens to BWFC, if they get relegated or win the champions league isn't going to affect mine or my families quality of life. BWFC is an interest but not the be all and end all of what happens.

Speak for yourself.

I am

[bwfcdan94]

I am just making a point that I would feel generally depressed if we were relegated from this division, I would ask myself (probably in all the time I have supported the club) as to whether I could really be bothered to go to places like Walsall. I guess some take it a bit more to heart than others.

[Lord Kangana]

Local derby at Bury!

[Enoch]

you're not a lawyer or a politician by any chance are you enoch ?

My point, StaffsTrotter, was regard folk posting opinion as fact. Opinion is the lifeblood of any forum, false statements just poison the well. I'm not looking for an argument about the merits of any particular statement, just hopeful folk might be more circumspect.

In answer to your question, no, I'm not. Just hopelessly optimistic.

[StaffsTrotter]

you're not a lawyer or a politician by any chance are you enoch ?

My point, StaffsTrotter, was regard folk posting opinion as fact. Opinion is the lifeblood of any forum, false statements just poison the well. I'm not looking for an argument about the merits of any particular statement, just hopeful folk might be more circumspect.

In answer to your question, no, I'm not. Just hopelessly optimistic.

never thought about it like that, I always regard everything on here as opinion, no matter how well informed or ITK the claim or assertive the point. You've made me even more curious as to what or who these fact spinners are