Freedman out!

[gavlat2872]

14,000 there yesterday.

10-13,000 less than at better times.

That's a lot of feet voting not to bother .... & no wonder tbh.

Bloody hell, thats still a great attendance for a championship fixture, especially with what we're being forced to witness.

Fair play to all the fans that still go.

[LeverEnd]

Or if no agreement is reached we keep paying him his salary in the hope that he gets a job fairly soon, which I imagine he would. He can make plenty of excuses for his time here which many chairmen will probably believe as he has the gift of the gab.
I can't believe people are just advocating keeping him in place because we can't do any better. What a ridiculous stance.

[BWFC_Insane]

Or if no agreement is reached we keep paying him his salary in the hope that he gets a job fairly soon, which I imagine he would. He can make plenty of excuses for his time here which many chairmen will probably believe as he has the gift of the gab.
I can't believe people are just advocating keeping him in place because we can't do any better. What a ridiculous stance.

The same was said when we binned off Megson. It was all so 'obvious' how much better off we'd be with someone else. And we even got the fans choice. And for a short while we were better, then things got worse, much worse.

Put it this way, were I in charge I'd definitely be looking at options. But I'd not just go sacking Freedman without having something I felt was better and achievable in place. A lot of the names being bandied around don't sound better to me, they just sound like we'll go round in the same old circles. And then some people still seem to think that the likes of Allardyce are in reach. We're shopping for league one and bottom of championship out of work managers who will work on a budget that means they have to work broadly with what is already here. That is the reality we're in, for me. And I've yet to see any realistic solution that convinces me we'd not just be throwing more money after bad.....

[Athers]

I'd be looking for that replacement manager now if I was called Davies or Gartside. Recent history suggests the end is nigh once the crowd turns, and general football rule is that once the chairman's head is called for, he'll sack the manager.

[jjpp]

Or if no agreement is reached we keep paying him his salary in the hope that he gets a job fairly soon, which I imagine he would. He can make plenty of excuses for his time here which many chairmen will probably believe as he has the gift of the gab.
I can't believe people are just advocating keeping him in place because we can't do any better. What a ridiculous stance.

The same was said when we binned off Megson. It was all so 'obvious' how much better off we'd be with someone else. And we even got the fans choice. And for a short while we were better, then things got worse, much worse.

Put it this way, were I in charge I'd definitely be looking at options. But I'd not just go sacking Freedman without having something I felt was better and achievable in place. A lot of the names being bandied around don't sound better to me, they just sound like we'll go round in the same old circles. And then some people still seem to think that the likes of Allardyce are in reach. We're shopping for league one and bottom of championship out of work managers who will work on a budget that means they have to work broadly with what is already here. That is the reality we're in, for me. And I've yet to see any realistic solution that convinces me we'd not just be throwing more money after bad.....

The thing is, it was the right decision to sack megson when we did. It was also the right decision to appoint coyle, we just didn't sack him soon enough. Despite all his faults which later came to light, the positivity he brought into the club kept us up that year. At the moment this appears to me to be the exact same scenario as against Hull at home under megson, plummeting towards inevitable relegation, only now we're one tier lower. If we wait any longer we'll be in league one before we know it. I want him gone immediately and would give jimmy phillips until the end of the season. We wouldn't be forking out too much more to do that. I think the replacement of freedman in itself (with literally anyone) would give many of the players a lift, as they seem to have no confidence playing under him, for a multitude of reasons.

[Norpig]

I was firmly in the keep him and wait and see what happens at the end of the season. I am now in the get rid at all costs camp as we just seem to be spiralling in a downward direction fast. As pointed out in other threads with the players at our disposal we should be doing better than we are currently. The problem I have with this getting rid of DF is who is going to direct us to safety in the short term before making a very big decision on the next manager in the months leading up to the summer.

[Tombwfc]

For your out of work Championship managers, it's a great job. We pay good wages, have players who've shown in the past they have ability and expectations are rock bottom (seriously, at no other recently relegated club would you be able to spend 15 months taking them down to 19th in the league table, have the worst start in a century, lose a match 7-1 and only just have the majority calling for your head).

There are plenty who'll fancy turning it around.

[officer_dibble]

Turning it round? I'd take status quo for this season (i.e. Finish 19th). Absolute shambles.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

14,000 there yesterday.

10-13,000 less than at better times.

That's a lot of feet voting not to bother .... & no wonder tbh.

Not necessarily arguing against your general drift, Bobo, but we wouldn't have been playing Bournemouth in the better times.

Still, attendances are definitely dipping. On 15 Dec 2012 Charlton's visit drew 15,991. On 21 Dec 2013 Charlton's visit drew 14,923.

The fans are still there to be tempted: against Blackpool in May we got 24,884. More than we got in six of our last 10 PL home games.

Obviously it helps if you're chasing promotion, and not generally crao at home: only Birmingham, Charlton and Yeovil have a worse home record this season (and Charlton have a home game in hand).

[Bruce Rioja]

To be fair though, Barnetto - Blackpool filled the away end. How many do the ends hold? Anyone know?

[Beefheart]

To be fair though, Barnetto - Blackpool filled the away end. How many do the ends hold? Anyone know?

About 4k (I think?)

[Bruce Rioja]

To be fair though, Barnetto - Blackpool filled the away end. How many do the ends hold? Anyone know?

About 4k (I think?)

That's the figure I tend to have in mind too, Beefheart.

[Gary the Enfield]

Constant change, in my opinion, is not the answer.

When Allardyce left Lee was appointed. The slide began (continued)

Lee was sacked and Megson appointed. Slide halted but an unpopular manager with rumours of discontent in the changing room. Slide continued.

Megson sacked and Coyle appointed. Initially successful but we had Stoke and the wheels came off from there. Relegation followed.

Coyle sacked and Freedman appointed. A brief hiatus with us just missing out on the play offs last year. Then our worst start to a season in over a century. We're currently at our lowest point, league position wise, of the last 15 years.

Are we really saying that sacking the manager, upsetting the infrastructure and getting rid of our higher paid (and supposedly better players) is the right thing to do?

For me, if we sack Freedman, we pretty much guarantee relegation.

However, if nothing changes, we pretty much guarantee relegation.

It's a proper quandary.

[Hoboh]

Constant change, in my opinion, is not the answer.

When Allardyce left Lee was appointed. The slide began (continued)

Lee was sacked and Megson appointed. Slide halted but an unpopular manager with rumours of discontent in the changing room. Slide continued.

Megson sacked and Coyle appointed. Initially successful but we had Stoke and the wheels came off from there. Relegation followed.

Coyle sacked and Freedman appointed. A brief hiatus with us just missing out on the play offs last year. Then our worst start to a season in over a century. We're currently at our lowest point, league position wise, of the last 15 years.

Are we really saying that sacking the manager, upsetting the infrastructure and getting rid of our higher paid (and supposedly better players) is the right thing to do?

For me, if we sack Freedman, we pretty much guarantee relegation.

However, if nothing changes, we pretty much guarantee relegation.

It's a proper quandary.

I'm sorry Don't agree, it is the failiure of those higher up to recognise when something isn't working and put it right, if they had done so we could still be in the Premier league.
Okay we may be having huge problems up there but far less than what faces us now.
If rumour is to be believed it was Eddie who had enough of Coyle and sacked him off, not the man in the middle who should be giving good advice, Gartside. The one common piece in all this is Gartside and no doubt his advisors whoose football related advice to Eddie is poor to say the least. Maybe on a business front he's good but the football matters are huge in a football club

[bobo the clown]

14,000 there yesterday.

10-13,000 less than at better times.

That's a lot of feet voting not to bother .... & no wonder tbh.

Not necessarily arguing against your general drift, Bobo, but we wouldn't have been playing Bournemouth in the better times.

Still, attendances are definitely dipping. On 15 Dec 2012 Charlton's visit drew 15,991. On 21 Dec 2013 Charlton's visit drew 14,923.

The fans are still there to be tempted: against Blackpool in May we got 24,884. More than we got in six of our last 10 PL home games.

Obviously it helps if you're chasing promotion, and not generally crao at home: only Birmingham, Charlton and Yeovil have a worse home record this season (and Charlton have a home game in hand).

Facts. Facts .... you're confusing me with facts

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

14,000 there yesterday.

10-13,000 less than at better times.

That's a lot of feet voting not to bother .... & no wonder tbh.

Not necessarily arguing against your general drift, Bobo, but we wouldn't have been playing Bournemouth in the better times.

Still, attendances are definitely dipping. On 15 Dec 2012 Charlton's visit drew 15,991. On 21 Dec 2013 Charlton's visit drew 14,923.

The fans are still there to be tempted: against Blackpool in May we got 24,884. More than we got in six of our last 10 PL home games.

Obviously it helps if you're chasing promotion, and not generally crao at home: only Birmingham, Charlton and Yeovil have a worse home record this season (and Charlton have a home game in hand).

Facts. Facts .... you're confusing me with facts

In all seriousness, our home-gate figures since the drop are all here. I'd be interested to read a comparison of like-for-like games (so no November midweek v August Saturday, etc). The trend does seem to be downwards.

[Peter Thompson]

Totally incompetent useless manager & equally incompetent spineless Chairman

A pair of absolute charlatan's - Gartside as a 'so called' Bolton fan burying his head in the sand and allowing this shambles to continue is fcuking seriously negligent and he should be ashamed of himself.

[bobo the clown]

If he drops Captain Knight after his comments about players who's hwads drop too easily is it fair to think he's the main culprit of that syndrome ??

Why, on God's little green Earth, has he now taken against Dann ?? It's honestly as if he looks for stupid decisions.

It's clear he's staying, despite it all. What a shambles this season has been.

[jaffka]

nowt new to add really

he is still a cock, charlatan, chancer, amateur and clearly out of his depth

feck off to Tamworth and learn your trade

[SmokinFrazier]

It's amazing to think that since scoring twice against Leicester, Moritz hasn't started a single game. He's been a sub three times, an unused sub twice and not even in the squad on one occasion. I can't even begin to put forward an argument against that, when it's so clearly bullsh*t. It's an incomprehensibly bad decision.