Den bones, Den bones, Den dry bones...

[William the White]

Dn't know if this is the right thread, but I was on the 18.40 from Euston to Manchester, as were a number of Bolton fans (I hadn't been to the match - see the Art Debate thread for where I'd been)...

And on the train were Wheater, Baptiste and M Davis... In Bolton trackies, but certainly not travelling home with the rest of the team...

A blow up in the dressing room?

No other members of the team? Just those three?

Gives an indication that something has happened.

Just those three... Definitely...

[davroduk]

Oh shit!!!!!!

Forget Dougie

My avatar has dissapeared.

[jaffka]

Dn't know if this is the right thread, but I was on the 18.40 from Euston to Manchester, as were a number of Bolton fans (I hadn't been to the match - see the Art Debate thread for where I'd been)...

And on the train were Wheater, Baptiste and M Davis... In Bolton trackies, but certainly not travelling home with the rest of the team...

A blow up in the dressing room?

No other members of the team? Just those three?

Gives an indication that something has happened.

Just those three... Definitely...

Were they sitting with anyone?

What about kit bags?

Where did they travel to?

[William the White]

Dn't know if this is the right thread, but I was on the 18.40 from Euston to Manchester, as were a number of Bolton fans (I hadn't been to the match - see the Art Debate thread for where I'd been)...

And on the train were Wheater, Baptiste and M Davis... In Bolton trackies, but certainly not travelling home with the rest of the team...

A blow up in the dressing room?

No other members of the team? Just those three?

Gives an indication that something has happened.

Just those three... Definitely...

Were they sitting with anyone?

What about kit bags?

Where did they travel to?

The three sat together - second class interestingly - I bet 'walk up' first class is an enormous price... next carriage so can't detail. Mark Davies was carrying a bag, not sure about the others. They traveled to Manchester but not on the Bolton connection (which incidentally was full of Blue Moonies) but presumably they all live in Cheshire?. Though, come to think of it - the train had stops in Crewe and Wilmslow...

[Prufrock]

Different trains for people who live in different places, I reckon.

[bobo the clown]

Dn't know if this is the right thread, but I was on the 18.40 from Euston to Manchester, as were a number of Bolton fans (I hadn't been to the match - see the Art Debate thread for where I'd been)...

And on the train were Wheater, Baptiste and M Davis... In Bolton trackies, but certainly not travelling home with the rest of the team...

A blow up in the dressing room?

No other members of the team? Just those three?

Gives an indication that something has happened.

Just those three... Definitely...

Depends where their cars are, I guess. Odd they were in track suits, not civvies.

Were they sitting with anyone?

What about kit bags?

Where did they travel to?

The three sat together - second class interestingly - I bet 'walk up' first class is an enormous price... next carriage so can't detail. Mark Davies was carrying a bag, not sure about the others. They traveled to Manchester but not on the Bolton connection (which incidentally was full of Blue Moonies) but presumably they all live in Cheshire?. Though, come to think of it - the train had stops in Crewe and Wilmslow...

That does sound odd. I appreciate there may be a range of innocent reasons but why in track suits and not civvies.

We still use a flashy coach for away travel, so a standard train is odd .... & not so late that they three had been somewhere.

Where they alight may be influenced by where their cars are ... but that's usually at the Reebok as that's where the team set out from.

... & 2nd class. Even if it's prohibitively expensive to you or I for a stroll-up it's not beyond their pockets.

Strange

[Dr.Karl]

Dn't know if this is the right thread, but I was on the 18.40 from Euston to Manchester, as were a number of Bolton fans (I hadn't been to the match - see the Art Debate thread for where I'd been)...

And on the train were Wheater, Baptiste and M Davis... In Bolton trackies, but certainly not travelling home with the rest of the team...

A blow up in the dressing room?

There's probably nothing in that. I met a Forest player after the recent home game vs them and one of his teammates had a flight to catch from Manchester. He left in a taxi by himself before the team bus left. Most likely a legitimate reason.

[Lord Kangana]

You would have thought that our significantly overpaid and cosseted players could have afforded something more than a 2nd class rail fare quite easily. Given that it was planned in advance.

[jaffka]

Dn't know if this is the right thread, but I was on the 18.40 from Euston to Manchester, as were a number of Bolton fans (I hadn't been to the match - see the Art Debate thread for where I'd been)...

And on the train were Wheater, Baptiste and M Davis... In Bolton trackies, but certainly not travelling home with the rest of the team...

A blow up in the dressing room?

There's probably nothing in that. I met a Forest player after the recent home game vs them and one of his teammates had a flight to catch from Manchester. He left in a taxi by himself before the team bus left. Most likely a legitimate reason.

What clothes were being worn?

You met one, not three, all in the club attire.

[Bruce Rioja]

Dn't know if this is the right thread, but I was on the 18.40 from Euston to Manchester, as were a number of Bolton fans (I hadn't been to the match - see the Art Debate thread for where I'd been)...

And on the train were Wheater, Baptiste and M Davis... In Bolton trackies, but certainly not travelling home with the rest of the team...

A blow up in the dressing room?

How come you didn't just go and ask them, Will?

[CrazyHorse]

"I'm not really happy with a point because I felt that we controlled the game very well in the first half."

"We got a good goal with a great cross and great header."

"Then in the second half we defended very well but we missed chances when we hit the post and then the penalty miss so I felt we deserved the three points."

[jaffka]

"I'm not really happy with a point because I felt that we controlled the game very well in the first half."

"We got a good goal with a great cross and great header."

"Then in the second half we defended very well but we missed chances when we hit the post and then the penalty miss so I felt we deserved the three points."

I know he says first half half.

The bbc stats stats state that we had 39% possession.

[bobo the clown]

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It's about controlling the game without the ball. Possession isn't relevant.

(I'm pretty sure he said that .... I could be wrong).


He went to Millwall yesterday with a game plan. To defend, play counter-attacking football and sneak a win. It nearly came off, and could have done if the penalty had gone in.

Desperately poor entertainment and, given our defensive record, a matter of hope over experience. In itself though we got a point, away from home so "yay". However, what a damming lack of ambition. We have a manager with a negative mindset ... getting negative performances. Trying to nullify games, worry about the opponents first and foremost, play horribly and hope to scrape by. That is our unnecessary reality right now.

[Bruce Rioja]

Just noticed - Zatastrophe comes on for Mark Davies on 79 minutes. Two minutes later and it's one apiece. Coincidence?

[jaffka]

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It's about controlling the game without the ball. Possession isn't relevant.

(I'm pretty sure he said that .... I could be wrong).


He went to Millwall yesterday with a game plan. To defend, play counter-attacking football and sneak a win. It nearly came off, and could have done if the penalty had gone in.

Desperately poor entertainment and, given our defensive record, a matter of hope over experience. In itself though we got a point, away from home so "yay". However, what a damming lack of ambition. We have a manager with a negative mindset ... getting negative performances. Trying to nullify games, worry about the opponents first and foremost, play horribly and hope to scrape by. That is our unnecessary reality right now.

...and although it's not going to happen, if he did get us to the prem imagine the shells shock he would suffer. He worries enough now about Yeovil, Bournemouth, Millwall...

[Andy Waller]

You must've been watching something different at home, than I have all season then. I'm questioning whether I want to pay money to watch that each week, too.

same here. as it stands I will not be renewing my ST for first time in 30 yrs if DF is still at the helm

Same, though a mere 15 years in my case.

I can cope with triers being beaten, but not the shite this tosser is offering us. I have plenty more to do with my time than sit and watch this bilge.

There .... I've said it.

Same here Bobo, I didn't get home until midnight on Tuesday after watching that bobbins. I've had one season off since I was 9 and I just can't be arsed any more.

I can cope with crap players who are trying their best but we're so disorginised, it's untrue.

No-one seems to care at the club, Gartside just tells us we know nothing, as does Freedman. I haven't a clue how to run a football club but, like most reasonable fans, I can tell when a tactic isn't working or players aren't trying.

[Andy Waller]

all these ST holders 'giving up' ...

why didnt owen coyle's WTFball not make you pack in

eh?

How long does it take for you to get to the ground then??

[bwfcdan94]

I don't know if any of you saw that about 30 Bolton fans were cordoned of from the rest of us yesterday, I have since heard 2 differing stories as to why they have been cordoned of so I will let you decided which you think is true

1. The group of 30 were a load of Carlisle as their game away at Crawley had been called off
2. Apparently they were found in a minibus on a street corner in Bermondsey armed to the teeth with things like cricket bats, bottles, glasses, baseball bats etc basically items that could be used as weapons but are not illegal to possess.

I think 1 is a more likely personally.

[bobo the clown]

It takes me 65 miles each way, costs around £40 in fuel. Then the 4 P's, parking, pie, programme and pint. All are optional of course. To ensure I'm there in time and can park (less problematic at present of couse) I leave about 2 hours prior to kick off. Realistically that's a whole Saturday afternoon and early evening taken.

I have all the normal duties of family to deal with and I have alternatives to being made to feel like I've wasted my time.

My case is hardly exceptional. After the Premiership years this level is a come down but I always knew we were punching high. But now, more than the dour Megson rime, more than the chaotic naivety of Coyle I feel a desperation in the football. It is, as I've said previously, like watching a car crash in slow motion. There was something to enjoy previously and a hope it would turn around. With Freedman's avowed style and his utterly confusion I can't say I look forward to it any longer. If he's still here, more than ever before,.I can't want to give that amount of my time, money and energy. I'm not happy or proud to say that and another manager arriving may boost my feelings, but right now .... watching us play a prepared plan against Yeovil or Millwall or Barnsley as ifrwe were away to Barcelona. No thanks.

[Belmont White]

You would have thought that our significantly overpaid and cosseted players could have afforded something more than a 2nd class rail fare quite easily. Given that it was planned in advance.

Especially as on a Saturday 1st class upgrade is a flat £15 each all day?????

Perhaps they have formed a hard line communist faction.