Freedman out!

[Prufrock]

My own reckon is that Mackay and Clarke wouldn't fancy it, but Hughton and McDermott would.

[Worthy4England]

Our last few managers might have something to say about us being a no lose situation?

Allardyce, not been out of work long.

Lee, wasn't a Manager but similarly not been out of work long.

Megson out of work, but not coz he didn't get another chance. Managed to get himself binned whilst in a playoff spot iirc

Coyle not out of work long before he went to Pies...where he fcuked it up himself.

[Armchair Wanderer]

According to wiki, Dougie's record managing Bolton and Palace are fairly similar. If we were to beat Forest he'd have not lost as many but won the same. It's even comparing apples with apples as all the games will be in the championship + cups.

Crystal Palace 2011–12... P90 W32 D27 L31 35.56%
Bolton Wanderers 2012–... P89 W31 D31 L27 34.83%

Point being, it's not like ED/PG hired a world-beater who then did rubbish.

[BWFC_Insane]

Our last few managers might have something to say about us being a no lose situation?

Allardyce, not been out of work long.

Lee, wasn't a Manager but similarly not been out of work long.

Megson out of work, but not coz he didn't get another chance. Managed to get himself binned whilst in a playoff spot iirc

Coyle not out of work long before he went to Pies...where he fcuked it up himself.

Coyle was touted as next manager of Arsenal around the time he came here. Seriously he was.

Look what has happened to his career since. Clearly he was shite, but the point stands.

Freedman regarded as a very good young manager (still is by ex pros who have commented in the press and on TV etc) could have that reputation wiped out here.

[boltonboris]

"Freedman regarded as a very good young manager (still is by ex pros who have commented in the press and on TV etc) could have that reputation wiped out here"

That's because he's doing a shit job!!!!!!!

[thebish]

Coyle was touted as next manager of Arsenal around the time he came here. Seriously he was.

the fact that a few people said it - and the likelihood that anyone ever really thought it would happen are two very different things...

[Puskas]

Freedman regarded as a very good young manager (still is by ex pros who have commented in the press and on TV etc) could have that reputation wiped out here.

Surely that's a problem whenever reputation and reality don't meet, and not simply a downside to managing Wanderers?

He'd have his reputation wiped out just as badly at any other club - the only way he could keep it intact would be to not manage anyone, and sit pontificating on MOTD, like Hansen....

[jaffka]

People can say what they want about him.

At the moment it seems we have a duffer in charge.

[LeverEnd]

"Freedman regarded as a very good young manager (still is by ex pros who have commented in the press and on TV etc) could have that reputation wiped out here"

That's because he's doing a shit job!!!!!!!

Exactly and those 'in the game' always bum each other in the media.

I'd be amazed if all those 4 mentioned weren't at least interested and I reckon we'd definitely get one of them.

[Lord Kangana]

I think Dougie's to blame list would probably start with 1) Dougie Freedman if his reputation took a blow when leaving here.

[SmokinFrazier]

One of the higher paid salaries outside the Premier League. Check

Decent standard of playing staff. Check

Excellent infrastructure. Check

Patient board. Check

No lose situation. Check

Decent enough stature to secure good loan deals from bigger clubs. Check

Springboard to move onto bigger things if you do a good job. Check

Good post. We're an attractive club for most managers with ambition. If they succeed with us, we can get promotion and from there, we'll be back in the Premier League with a good budget or the manager will be taken from us by a 'bigger' club. It's not like we have nothing to offer, we have all the basis for a promotion-pushing side apart from the manager, so those currently without a job aren't going to laugh at us. We have more to offer than a club like Derby and they ended up with Steve McClaren.

[Worthy4England]

Our last few managers might have something to say about us being a no lose situation?

Allardyce, not been out of work long.

Lee, wasn't a Manager but similarly not been out of work long.

Megson out of work, but not coz he didn't get another chance. Managed to get himself binned whilst in a playoff spot iirc

Coyle not out of work long before he went to Pies...where he fcuked it up himself.

Coyle was touted as next manager of Arsenal around the time he came here. Seriously he was.

Look what has happened to his career since. Clearly he was shite, but the point stands.

Freedman regarded as a very good young manager (still is by ex pros who have commented in the press and on TV etc) could have that reputation wiped out here.

You're only as good as your last gig. The meejah build people up based on sand. Freedman had managed only a season and a bit? When he came here, from a place where he was fortunate to have a couple of decent attackers. Most folks had hardly heard of him. The Palace fans pointed to the turn around being when he signed an ex-Palace player as defensive coach if I recall.

Coyle had done some stuff with Livingston and Inverness? The point is, they both did most of that with players the Clubs had available to them, largely. Struck lucky is a wonderful place to be. Coyle was fcuking clueless with money at his disposal (probably for the first time in his career). Coyle then went elsewhere and was equally well regarded. I think you are confusing form with class.

[twilight]

could be tonight?

[IggyTheDawgster]

I've just seen the score.....

So I came to this thread.

I am rapidly losing my patience with this man.

Edit: Maybe I should lose my patience more often.

[bobo the clown]

Quotes, just before people say he didn't say it .... or that he didn't mean it.

All of Wanderers' goals came from substitutes, a fact which pleased their manager, whose aim this summer was to clear the dead wood at the Macron Stadium to build a younger, hungrier squad. Freedman said: "In my time here I've felt the substitutes have needed to do more when they come on the pitch. But it goes down to honesty, desire and not giving up. We've not got sulkers any more". Why does he do this ?

[Prufrock]

It's good to see you've figured it out now.

[coffeymagic]

I've just read his ramblings in the BN. If you didn't know it before then you know it now.

The man's a clown.

Remember the Colin/Roy era (shudders) we lost so many points in the last five minutes when we thought games were won/drawn that you've got to admire a side that keeps playing until the very final toot of the FT whistle but to say that last night was anything other than a shambles is crazy.

He says that it vindicates playing football 'the right way'.

The right way? What's that? 11 men avoiding the ball for 87 minutes then pushing David Wheater up front?

That's what we've come to against a team two leagues down?

We've been involved with plenty of giant killing of course and we've been on the wrong end of it often enough but to try and spin your way out of that shambles is just admitting you have no idea what's going on.

How very characteristic.

[TANGODANCER]

The sheer bug eyed, open-mouthed, staggertasticity of this, brings his mental stability into question:

"DOUGIE Freedman insisted that luck played no part in his side’s narrow progression to the second round of the Captial One Cup at the expense of local rivals Bury."

Time up, ( after six extra minutes played) one goal down after being out-played almost all game and we get a penalty, score and go on to win in extra time, but luck played no part? If Dougie planned that to give the fans a thrills and spills ride with a shock ending, watch out Steven Speilberg, you have a rival. Could he not just have said:

"We just didn't play well. Truthfully, we were pretty awful. Bury surprised us by how well they played, got a lead and then continued to play well and defend it. We didn't take what few chances we had and lady luck stepped in at the death. We managed it, but were very fortunate and well done Bury."

At least he wouldn't have made a complete prat of himself with silliness.

[Lord Kangana]

The other team surprised us by playing well?

Has that been lifted straight from the script of Dad's Army or something?

[LeverEnd]

The sheer bug eyed, open-mouthed, staggertasticity of this, brings his mental stability into question:

"DOUGIE Freedman insisted that luck played no part in his side’s narrow progression to the second round of the Captial One Cup at the expense of local rivals Bury."

Time up, ( after six extra minutes played) one goal down after being out-played almost all game and we get a penalty, score and go on to win in extra time, but luck played no part? If Dougie planned that to give the fans a thrills and spills ride with a shock ending, watch out Steven Speilberg, you have a rival. Could he not just have said:

"We just didn't play well. Truthfully, we were pretty awful. Bury surprised us by how well they played, got a lead and then continued to play well and defend it. We didn't take what few chances we had and lady luck stepped in at the death. We managed it, but were very fortunate and well done Bury."

At least he wouldn't have made a complete prat of himself with silliness.

I like to contrast these two quotes Tango...

On Saturday “We stuck together, tried to get going and with a little bit of luck might have got something but if you are going to defend that way you won’t win a lot of games.”

On Tuesday “We weren’t lucky,” he said. “Luck doesn’t play a part in this game. If you keep sticking to your guns and trying to play in the right way, blah blah ......"