Coyle - Time to go? [post-Everton]

[BWFC_Insane]

The sack immediately vote is winning.

And you know full well that if that vote is winning on here, it will be even more likely to win in a sample of fans departing the Reebok immediately after the game.

It isn't.

It's losing definitively - it has just over one third of the votes cast...

Difference between leading - by one vote (!) and claiming a majority for 'go now'...

Bit desperate, maddo?

Which option has the most votes, and therefore of the four presented is the majority view?

Your interpretation is the only one that sounds desperate.

Take a look round other BWFC forums, not much support for Coyle there. As there wasn't in the ground yesterday. Folk aren't chanting Coyle out and thankgod for that. But do a poll after Saturdays game at the ground and the majority would want him out, I'm convinced of that.

If he does stay and we go down, I hope it's not the last chance I will ever have to watch a top flight BWFC team. But rather fear it will be.

Colin Todd mark 2, nice guy but the damage he is doing could have massive long term implications!

[Lord Kangana]

Just make him spend the money he's refused to so far. If not, thank god we've got a huge slush fund for his replacement to sort it out.

[Worthy4England]

I'm not arsed whether he is better than Megson though. It was all about results for me then, and it still is now, and we are in the bottom three, and, crucially, we don't look like the manager has a plan to get us out of there. I think those players are good enough to stay in this league, and as much as I like him, I don't think that manager knows how to manage them so they do.

Correct.

That he's better/worse/same as Megson matters not one whit.

Whether he can organise the team to look half decent is.

[Worthy4England]

I'm worried, certainly, but none of the sack now bunch have got any idea who is going to replace the man they want out. Fanciful lists have us much solid conviction as fresh boiled jelly.

Correct that none of the sack now bunch have any idea who is going to replace anyone.

Only Gartside would have any idea, I suspect, of who he'd ask.

Maybe on that basis we just lock the thread, along with the transfer thread and any other thread that dares to speculate.

We'll just stick to facts, so facts and facts alone WtW, none or your flowery speculation or opinion please.

I'm not really one for speculation - as my absence from the 'transfer' threads (most of the time) indicates... But I am, I confess, in favour of opinion (and who in their right mind is not in favour of flowers?).

Well if we're not speculating on who would replace him. I'll stick with the simple opinion that he should go because he's looking totally clueless at the minute. Anyone asks me "To be replaced by who", I'll just tell 'em to feck off.

[Lord Kangana]

I'm not arsed whether he is better than Megson though. It was all about results for me then, and it still is now, and we are in the bottom three, and, crucially, we don't look like the manager has a plan to get us out of there. I think those players are good enough to stay in this league, and as much as I like him, I don't think that manager knows how to manage them so they do.

Correct.

That he's better/worse/same as Megson matters not one whit.

Whether he can organise the team to look half decent is.

Well yes it does if you're asking for the same end result from less resources. You'll see this more clearly when we replace him.

[William the White]

The sack immediately vote is winning.

And you know full well that if that vote is winning on here, it will be even more likely to win in a sample of fans departing the Reebok immediately after the game.

It isn't.

It's losing definitively - it has just over one third of the votes cast...

Difference between leading - by one vote (!) and claiming a majority for 'go now'...

Bit desperate, maddo?

Which option has the most votes, and therefore of the four presented is the majority view?

None have the majority view. This is obvious. You really shouldn't distort language like this.

Your interpretation is the only one that sounds desperate.

Take a look round other BWFC forums, not much support for Coyle there. As there wasn't in the ground yesterday. Folk aren't chanting Coyle out and thankgod for that. But do a poll after Saturdays game at the ground and the majority would want him out, I'm convinced of that.

I understand you are convinced. Some are that the earth is flat. You have a natural propensity to think that you express the majority opinion of our supporters. Neither of us know if that is true. Undoubtedly, though, since the evidence is here, you don't share the majority opinion of posters on here. That was my only claim.



If he does stay and we go down, I hope it's not the last chance I will ever have to watch a top flight BWFC team. But rather fear it will be.

I hoped and feared that in 1964 and many other relegation seasons since. Fortunately, for all of us, the fears turned out to be misplaced. In any case, being in the top division isn't the reason I follow Bolton Wanderers.

Colin Todd mark 2, nice guy but the damage he is doing could have massive long term implications!

Your point is what? That if Colin Todd had not gone we would never have seen the top flight again? This after the record season of all time in the history of the club to gain promotion? You can't be that stupid, so I'm obviously failing to understand your point.

[CAPSLOCK]

Another poll elsewhere with 4 times as many responses and just two options has 2/3s saying get shut

Doesn't mean the 2/3s are right but I'd say it accurately reflects the views of matchgoers

nb Just 2 weeks ago, 2/3s weren't for getting shut...they wanted to give him more time

[BWFC_Insane]

My point is Todd and his inability to organise a team cost us relegation and left the club on the brink of financial extinction when he couldn't bring us back up.

Coyle could well do the same with even more devastating consequences.

[Lord Kangana]

Except you'd have to blame McFarland for spending all the cash in that scenario.

[William the White]

Another poll elsewhere with 4 times as many responses and just two options has 2/3s saying get shut

Doesn't mean the 2/3s are right but I'd say it accurately reflects the views of matchgoers

nb Just 2 weeks ago, 2/3s weren't for getting shut...they wanted to give him more time

Always problematic when you don't (because you can/t) compare like with like... This isn't a polemical point - We are neck n neck on here between go now and stay indefinitely, but neither side can claim a majority of supporters. Until the other poll reflects the not really made our mind up it isn't truly comparable. Though, obviously, interesting and indicative, as our poll is, of a great deal of discontent.

I've made no claim to majority views myself. Coyle's support is seeping away, i think there's plenty of evidence for that, and only results will turn that round...

BTW - I'm a matchgoer too.

[Turkish Trotter]

How long has his contract to run ?
I presume his backroom men have the same length.
What would the total cost be to get rid ?
How much compensation would we have to pay for replacement ?
Or do we go for one of the other failures who have been sacked for not being good enough ? Reid, Souness, Erikson, Strachan, McClaren, Etc.
Or do we appoint an inexperienced wannabe ??
Can't actually see the board getting rid, although I personnally think he's had his chance and blown it !

[scotty]

There are some rumours going around in the North East that Steve Bruce will be sacked by Sunderland. Would you have him at the Reebok?

[Lord Kangana]

How much are you proposing to pay?

[Turkish Trotter]

There are some rumours going around in the North East that Steve Bruce will be sacked by Sunderland. Would you have him at the Reebok?

Wouldn't come, not enough money to waste !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Worthy4England]

I'm not arsed whether he is better than Megson though. It was all about results for me then, and it still is now, and we are in the bottom three, and, crucially, we don't look like the manager has a plan to get us out of there. I think those players are good enough to stay in this league, and as much as I like him, I don't think that manager knows how to manage them so they do.

Correct.

That he's better/worse/same as Megson matters not one whit.

Whether he can organise the team to look half decent is.

Well yes it does if you're asking for the same end result from less resources. You'll see this more clearly when we replace him.

We had Sturridge for half a season. If your counting him as one of our resources, you need your eye testing too.

He has more players available than we've had in the previous couple of seasons.

We retained all of Megson's signings apart from Taylor who I assume he let go, and Elmander who by your assessment was shit anyhow.

How does that constitute less resources?

[Lord Kangana]

Allow me to shimy the mists of time a little, a bit like in the films.

It was taken as a fait accompli that Megson, who took over a side at the bottom of the table, had to invest to bring the team back up it.

Yet, when Coyle finds himself in the same position, it appears that tactical nous is the solution.

So anyway, now we've established the discrepency in the argument, might I add that if Coyle had frittered money on shite like Elmander, then yes, I'd be four-square behind your opinion. As it is, we have to judge him by different parameters. I don't know the result, but I bet you're well capable of doing an equation based on points-per-pound-spent(net). I'm confident I'm backing the winning horse in that particular argument. I'll also bet that at the end of the season, teams will roughly fall into line in terms of position/money spent.

[BWFC_Insane]

Allow me to shimy the mists of time a little, a bit like in the films.

It was taken as a fait accompli that Megson, who took over a side at the bottom of the table, had to invest to bring the team back up it.

Yet, when Coyle finds himself in the same position, it appears that tactical nous is the solution.

So anyway, now we've established the discrepency in the argument, might I add that if Coyle had frittered money on shite like Elmander, then yes, I'd be four-square behind your opinion. As it is, we have to judge him by different parameters. I don't know the result, but I bet you're well capable of doing an equation based on points-per-pound-spent(net). I'm confident I'm backing the winning horse in that particular argument. I'll also bet that at the end of the season, teams will roughly fall into line in terms of position/money spent.

Ok like for like....

When Megson took over us bottom of the league.....he kept us up without spending a penny (net) that season.

In fact I believe he was on a positive net spend.

So by your logic Coyle shouldn't have a problem keeping us up.

Over to you Owen...

[Lord Kangana]

Coyle kept us up last season without spending a penny.

At least think through your own f*cking argument fer crying out loud.

[William the White]

Coyle kept us up last season without spending a penny.

At least think through your own f*cking argument fer crying out loud.

I think you mean his first season, LK. So yes - that would be the like for like comparison the mad un is demanding...

[jaffka]

Coyle kept us up last season without spending a penny.

At least think through your own f*cking argument fer crying out loud.