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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Lord Kangana » Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:35 pm

An excellent question. Do you know why?
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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Peter Thompson » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:43 pm

Lord Kangana wrote:An excellent question. Do you know why?
Your the one who seems to know how much shit the previous regime left the club in - not me !

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by thebish » Thu Apr 12, 2012 4:50 pm

when a debate becomes boring EVEN to the bish - then you really KNOW it has become boring!!! :wink:

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by TKIZ! » Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:28 pm

Bring on the SORDELL!!!
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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by officer_dibble » Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:21 pm

Sordlinhio. He's so good we don't DARE play him

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Ianmooreslovechild » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:00 am

officer_dibble wrote:Sordlinhio. He's so good we don't DARE play him
Why does this remind me of the python sketch bout the worlds funniest joke?

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by boltonboris » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:58 am

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officer_dibble wrote:For me Mark Davies doesnt score enough to play behind a striker either. He is 23 I think so really time he stepped up to the plate.

Having said that I thibk Coyle is wrong playing pratley further in front. Mark Davies is better than pratley there and we should play to his strengths not Pratleys.
I think you're probably correct in that Mavis is better further forward (and better than Pratley further forward). But if we put Mavies further forward, who plays in the more defensive role? Pratley certainly can't.
Neither can do the defensive work, but Davies can at least look threatening going forward. So by playing Pratley deeper, we're still not sacrificing anything defensively, but we WILL be better going forward.

A no brainer for me.
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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:21 am

IIRC, Pratley played both the advanced and withdrawn roles in Swansea's 4-2-3-1 over the course of last season. That was, of course, at a lower level, but considering neither he nor Mavies has the full skill-set to play the holding role, it may be worth alternating. Perhaps that's even the plan - to alternate between them. Although one may nominally start in the more disciplined role and the other more adventurous, they seem to be able to swap as long as they cover each other.

That seems to have been the way earlier in the season, with NRC also taking his turn to bomb forward. In among the more important stuff after Fab's collapse, there was an interesting quote from Reo-Coker:
I remember before it happened, I asked him: ‘Do you want to swap positions? Do you want me to be the further midfielder pushing on and you can do the deep role?’ He just laughed and smiled and said, ‘No’.

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Lord Kangana » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:23 am

My recollection from last year was that Moo seemed to play more box-to-box whilst Stuey held. Though, again, the roles did seem interchangeable.
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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:24 am

Prexactly, amigo. In theory, all the middle three should be able to interchange. Doesn't half confuse the oppo, either - obviously a Mavies dribble is very different to a Prats far-post run... (anyone else reminded by his near-miss at SJP of Gazza's agonising wrong-leg slide against Germany in '96? No? Just me? Oh well)

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Lord Kangana » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:28 am

Maybe there is method in the madness after all then. Its just a lack of personnel married to a lack of plan b has rather skittled us this time out.

Back to the name of the the thread, we've seen bugger all of yon Marvin, but the two Watford-watchers I've spoken to rate him as the best talent they've had since Ashley Young. So who knows?
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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Ianmooreslovechild » Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:56 pm

The midfield two have generally alternated in getting forward,Mooo and NRC certainly did.It would be easy enough for Prat to bomb forward when we've worked it out wide but hold if Mavis is working through the middle.Their limitations are also limiting NRC who really does have to hold now. When alongside Moo his breaks into the box were an effective part of his game.

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Fri Apr 13, 2012 2:34 pm

Ianmooreslovechild wrote:Their limitations are also limiting NRC who really does have to hold now. When alongside Moo his breaks into the box were an effective part of his game.
Agreed; he's had to alter his own game for the good of the team, like a latter-day Frandsen - and that's high praise in my book.

Mind, it might help that the poor bugger must be knackered by now :wink:

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by newboy » Fri Apr 13, 2012 3:51 pm

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Here's what Super John has to say about it.

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Worthy4England » Fri Apr 13, 2012 8:45 pm

Can't disagree with much of what SJM says there.

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:56 pm

Worthy4England wrote:Can't disagree with much of what SJM says there.
Except perhaps the bit where he compares Balotelli to Cantona, saying the Frenchman was calmer. Aye, John, that'll be the one who launched himself feet-first into the Selhurst stands... :D

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by officer_dibble » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:34 pm

just watching the football league show...sure i will get shot down for this but wish we had gone for jason roberts when he fell out with rovers. Goalscorer but a bit more mobile than klas. Most importantly - ready to play now!

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by jaffka » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:36 pm

officer_dibble wrote:just watching the football league show...sure i will get shot down for this but wish we had gone for jason roberts when he fell out with rovers. Goalscorer but a bit more mobile than klas. Most importantly - ready to play now!
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he got shipped out of the dingles because he could not hit a barn door

I am aware of how prolific is he with Reading in the Championship

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by officer_dibble » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:40 pm

Goals still the same size in the prem
Different club to rovers - Ireckon he could do a job. Only an opinion.
As could this Vaz Te chap WHU picked up on the cheap?

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Re: Marvin Sordell

Post by jaffka » Sat Apr 14, 2012 11:50 pm

We are a different club to them in that they seem that have a striker that scores goals...hence him being moved on.

They are the same size, you are right! Is it harder in the Championship or for that matter the Northern Premier League?

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