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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by Jakerbeef » Thu May 03, 2012 2:42 pm

Last night turned on 15 crazy mins where we battered Spurs and got caught with the wind in our sails. West Brom will not have the same devastating pace and dare I say it, self-belief to hit us like that. Probably be wiser to play it cautious and keep in mind that a draw wouldn't be the end of the world. Cooler heads and a draw last night would have been fine for instance but for those ten minutes the team were convinced that a goal was coming and we would turn Spurs over.

I still think we're in the driving seat and a win on Sunday would make us very much favourites over QPR. If Stoke get anything from them they are in serious bother and will deflate like a knackered tyre.

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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by flatfoot » Thu May 03, 2012 3:10 pm

ChrisC wrote:All these positive vibes for QPR beating stoke might just work against them.. Be interesting to see how they deal with being favorites and the pressure of last chance saloon.. I see a draw in that game personally which would leave us needing a win from the last 2 games or 2 draws which we don't really do.
Re. being favourite. Didn't really affect us against Swansea at home. But has been a problem previously - though that has mainly been about our inability to keep 11 players on the pitch...

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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by Jakerbeef » Thu May 03, 2012 3:17 pm

I just hope we don't play 4-4-2. We've beaten better teams by playing 4-5-1 and fighting for it, rather than letting them waltz through the midfield.

Better to have an impact Davo than start him up top on his own or as part of a flakey 4-4-2.

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu May 03, 2012 3:31 pm

Jakerbeef wrote:I just hope we don't play 4-4-2. We've beaten better teams by playing 4-5-1 and fighting for it, rather than letting them waltz through the midfield.

Better to have an impact Davo than start him up top on his own or as part of a flakey 4-4-2.
I don't think we have the 4-5-1 option anymore though do we?

NRC looks like he's done for this season.

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Post by thebish » Thu May 03, 2012 3:34 pm

Jakerbeef wrote:I just hope we don't play 4-4-2. We've beaten better teams by playing 4-5-1 and fighting for it, rather than letting them waltz through the midfield.

Better to have an impact Davo than start him up top on his own or as part of a flakey 4-4-2.

have we even GOT 5 fit midfielders?

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu May 03, 2012 3:36 pm

newboy wrote:It'll be a last day jobbie for all the teams involved us, Qpr and Blackburn who I think will beat Wigan so they will be on same points as us and QPR who will win on Sunday the best I can see is us getting is a draw .If so Wigan theoretically will be safe on the last day QPR and Blackburn will have to turn over City and Chelsea we will have to play for a win against Stoke to be safe I think we're better away than at home.
Hang on, so this weekend you've got us drawing (at "best"), QPR winning and Blackburn winning (therefore Wigan losing).

That would leave QPR & Wigan on 37 (QPR above Wigan on goal difference), us on 35 and Blackburn on 34. That wouldn't leave Wigan safe at all - they'd only be three points off 19th, two points off 18th.

Just sayin', like...

For what it's worth, this weekend I think QPR are most likely to win, followed by us, then Blackburn. I know Wigan are on better form than Blackburn but it's do or die for Rovers, who surely won't be as defensive as they were at Spurs - and Wigan might just think the job's nearly done.

I can't subscribe to the point of view that says a draw would be enough, even if QPR win. I just don't trust us to win at Stoke.

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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu May 03, 2012 3:37 pm

thebish wrote:
Jakerbeef wrote:I just hope we don't play 4-4-2. We've beaten better teams by playing 4-5-1 and fighting for it, rather than letting them waltz through the midfield.

Better to have an impact Davo than start him up top on his own or as part of a flakey 4-4-2.

have we even GOT 5 fit midfielders?
No, and even if we did a 4-5-1 would likely be square pegs in round holes.

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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by Armchair Wanderer » Thu May 03, 2012 3:45 pm

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Jakerbeef wrote:I just hope we don't play 4-4-2. We've beaten better teams by playing 4-5-1 and fighting for it, rather than letting them waltz through the midfield.

Better to have an impact Davo than start him up top on his own or as part of a flakey 4-4-2.

have we even GOT 5 fit midfielders?
No, and even if we did a 4-5-1 would likely be square pegs in round holes.
You could say the same thing for 4-4-2.

We probably have the players for an attack-minded 4-3-3, with just NRC infront of the back 4 and everyone else bombing forwards. You might be able to tell the fullbacks to sit in position more and not get caught out on the counter in that formation.
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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Thu May 03, 2012 3:51 pm

I agree with Jakerbeef.

Ideally (within reason) I'd have NRC and Vela (I know...) behind Mavies and two wingers. If NRC isn't fit then there's even more need for the extra cover, probably Eagles in front of Mavies & Vela.

As a central attacking midfielder, Eagles is hardly a square peg. To me, Mavies is just as much a square peg in "holding" midfield.

We might also see Pratley come back into contention - he could shake the virus at any point. He's played in both positions.

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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by BWFC_Insane » Thu May 03, 2012 3:52 pm

Armchair Wanderer wrote:
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thebish wrote:
Jakerbeef wrote:I just hope we don't play 4-4-2. We've beaten better teams by playing 4-5-1 and fighting for it, rather than letting them waltz through the midfield.

Better to have an impact Davo than start him up top on his own or as part of a flakey 4-4-2.

have we even GOT 5 fit midfielders?
No, and even if we did a 4-5-1 would likely be square pegs in round holes.
You could say the same thing for 4-4-2.

We probably have the players for an attack-minded 4-3-3, with just NRC infront of the back 4 and everyone else bombing forwards. You might be able to tell the fullbacks to sit in position more and not get caught out on the counter in that formation.
OC has never played a holding midfield player.

And I doubt NRC will be fit for Sunday given the way he was moving second half yesterday. I'd rule him out of any team plans unless we hear otherwise....

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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by si2008 » Thu May 03, 2012 4:01 pm

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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by Peter Thompson » Thu May 03, 2012 4:04 pm

si2008 wrote:thats what were
:D I like it - if / when we go down that should be the headline on all the forums !

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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by si2008 » Thu May 03, 2012 4:09 pm

well i hope we dont but at the moment ...we are clueless ,,,but will be there next 2 games and season ticket sorted for next season..

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Post by Peter Thompson » Thu May 03, 2012 4:14 pm

si2008 wrote:well i hope we dont but at the moment ...we are clueless ,,,but will be there next 2 games and season ticket sorted for next season..
Yes we've still got a chance - but we need to beat WBA, and I just can't see us doing that unless we get a lot of luck and a very pro Bolton referee.

But I did like the pic :D

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Post by newboy » Thu May 03, 2012 6:13 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:
si2008 wrote:well i hope we dont but at the moment ...we are clueless ,,,but will be there next 2 games and season ticket sorted for next season..
Yes we've still got a chance - but we need to beat WBA, and I just can't see us doing that unless we get a lot of luck and a very pro Bolton referee.

But I did like the pic :D
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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by Spartan2 » Thu May 03, 2012 6:32 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
Ideally (within reason) I'd have NRC and Vela (I know...) behind Mavies and two wingers. If NRC isn't fit then there's even more need for the extra cover, probably Eagles in front of Mavies & Vela.

As a central attacking midfielder, Eagles is hardly a square peg. To me, Mavies is just as much a square peg in "holding" midfield.

We might also see Pratley come back into contention - he could shake the virus at any point. He's played in both positions.
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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu May 03, 2012 7:02 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:
si2008 wrote:thats what were
:D I like it - if / when we go down that should be the headline on all the forums !

What does 'thats what were' mean? :conf:
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Post by Peter Thompson » Thu May 03, 2012 7:06 pm

Bruce Rioja wrote:What does 'thats what were' mean? :conf:
Bruce - its not the wording that I liked, it was the 'clueless & shit' attachment / picture.

I'm not sure what 'thats what were' means !

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Re: Bottom 5 fixtures

Post by TANGODANCER » Thu May 03, 2012 7:14 pm

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Post by Bruce Rioja » Thu May 03, 2012 7:15 pm

Peter Thompson wrote:
Bruce Rioja wrote:What does 'thats what were' mean? :conf:
Bruce - its not the wording that I liked, it was the 'clueless & shit' attachment / picture.

I'm not sure what 'thats what were' means !
Ah reet :D

Well, I agree that Coyle's clueless, but I'm quite prepared to defend Gartside.

By the way, an old friend of mine is the reserve keeper for a local rival (and we'll leave it at that). For the past few years he's got to see every Premier League manager operate at particularly close quarters. He says that he's never seen or heard anyone as utterly clueless as Coyle. :(

(Still think we'll stay up though ;) )
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