Freedman out!

[CrazyHorse]

I personally do not think it is likely that we will go down this season.

You need your bumps feeling fella. 4 points from 20% if the season. We're favourites to go down.

Only blind luck can save us.

[Hoboh]

I personally do not think it is likely that we will go down this season.

You need your bumps feeling fella. 4 points from 20% if the season. We're favourites to go down.

Only blind luck can save us.

'fraid he's left town hoss

[mummywhycantieatcrayons]

I personally do not think it is likely that we will go down this season.

You need your bumps feeling fella. 4 points from 20% if the season. We're favourites to go down.

Only blind luck can save us.

Fair enough.

If that is the measure, then would people's blood lust be diminished if we edged into a 'safe' position?

I think we have a squad that is clearly better that the bottom third of the league, so pure 'reversion to the mean', nothing to do with luck, would see us stay in the division.

[Hoboh]

I personally do not think it is likely that we will go down this season.

You need your bumps feeling fella. 4 points from 20% if the season. We're favourites to go down.

Only blind luck can save us.

Fair enough.

If that is the measure, then would people's blood lust be diminished if we edged into a 'safe' position?

I think we have a squad that is clearly better that the bottom third of the league, so pure 'reversion to the mean', nothing to do with luck, would see us stay in the division.

Our team has no clue understanding 'mean' they are far to generous gifting goals

It's the fault of the bloke in the 'Dugout' I'm afraid

[Tombwfc]

I have no animosity towards Dougie at all, but it hasn't worked out and there's no reason for him to be in a job anymore.

The Club's trajectory was well established before he got here.

The reason for him to be in the job is that turning that around is a big job and likely to take a handful of seasons.

We were relegated and continued that with a bad start in the Championship the following season. This was not unsalvageable. In fact to some degree Dougie salvaged it. How we've ended up going from being the form team finishing seventh last year, to what we are now, is a complete mystery to me, but it's not an inevitability that club's relegated from the Premier League must then plummet through the divisions.

As for the second sentence, I'm not sure how that is a reason for Dougie being in a job. Even if you accept that at the minimum it's going to take three seasons to turn us into a decent outfit (and FWIW I don't, I think we're only going to get worse as our competitive advantage disintegrates), there's precious little to suggest Dougie is the man to do it at all, let alone to have such faith in the man that you're prepared to let him have the job irrespective of what is actually happening on the pitch.

[Bruce Rioja]

Seen Beckford today in the Trafford centre. Asked what was going wrong this season and all I got was a shrug of the shoulders and a "dunno mate"

Comes across as someone who really couldn't give a flying feck.

What were you expecting? A Powerpoint presentation?

[Jez]

Seen Beckford today in the Trafford centre. Asked what was going wrong this season and all I got was a shrug of the shoulders and a "dunno mate"

Comes across as someone who really couldn't give a flying feck.

What were you expecting? A Powerpoint presentation?

"I'm utter shite" and a load of tears perhaps

[TANGODANCER]

Seen Beckford today in the Trafford centre. Asked what was going wrong this season and all I got was a shrug of the shoulders and a "dunno mate"

Comes across as someone who really couldn't give a flying feck.

What were you expecting? A Powerpoint presentation?

Aye, since it's his first season he wouldn't know anyway. He wouldn't know anyway, anyway.
Unless there's a very obvious dressing room problem I doubt if one player knows what's actually wrong. If they don't just do as they're told, what's the point in having a manager at all?

[Dr.Karl]

I can't see us getting relegated under him. Unfortunately at this present moment in time I can't see us getting above midtable. I think he's shown in glimpses that he has makings of a good manager. He has right approach to games from what we know about his sport science and fitness application to his knowledge of the game. I much prefer our manager to show this kind of application as in the long run it will provide a basis for success. But for whatever reason it hasn't worked out on the pitch this season. I think that is partly due to player recruitment, Beckford hasn't been good enough and we haven't replaced Dawson in central defence.

He did a fairly good job at Palace and turned their fortunes around after been given the time. I just think sacking him now wouldn't make sense for the long term health of the club. We hired him to turn the club around. I think we've got to make a decision at the end of the season.

[bobo the clown]

I have no animosity towards Dougie at all, but it hasn't worked out and there's no reason for him to be in a job anymore.

The Club's trajectory was well established before he got it here.

The reason for him to be in the job is that turning that around is a big job and likely to take a handful of seasons.

Completely correct. However he cannot survive while dropping points like he is, playing confused tactics like he does, looking utterly bewildered by it all ... like he does.

The long term only matters if you are surviving in the short term, and he isn't doing?

I remain liking the overall guy, but what's happening out there is ludicrous. We have no idea whether the players are with him but it doesn't look like it.

What do we mean by 'surviving' in the short term though?

I personally do not think it is likely that we will go down this season. Do you have a different measure in mind.

I think and hope we will eventually settle on a formula that wins us some games and we'll push on and have a boring mid-table finish.

Am I happy about this given where we have fallen from? No. But I don't want to revert to a hire and fire policy because we're having a rough and embarrassing patch in the short term.

If the players won't play for him, the medium to long term job is moving them on, in my opinion.

If the problem is that the guy making the decisions is making the wrong ones then yes, he must go.

It was poor luck that saw us concede on Saturday. But this was against 22nd placrd Yeovil, at home, who had scored 3 goals in 8 games .... He selected one up-front, 2 defensive midfielders and played a containment game. This is no fluke ... it's his preferred style of play. I wouldn't like that if he was succeeding with it. I sure hate it when he isn't.

He is, simply, making poor calls. His whole demeanour and body language says "defeated". It's clear his mind has gone. If he was a player you'd drop him, give him a rest. I don't think you can do that with a manager.

I agree with you that I don't want to be a hire and fire club but I don't see the option right now. It would be pure blind faith to keep him at the moment. Faith he shows scant reason to get.

[Thor]

And it works in the gut: we should be good enough to take this division on (although 4-5-1 isn't necessarily negative, if played as the sort of 4-3-3 that took Palace up). But for all his careful calculations, Worthy's is the better point: you need good players, playing well, and well coached. At the moment, sadly, that's not the case for us.[/quote]

Dougie got this job on the strength of a 8 game unbeaten run following a previous record of something like 3 wins in 28 games by which time even his loyalist Palace fans were beginning to question if he was the right man for the job there. An alleged argument after a game with their Chairman led to Dougie changing to a more attacking formation, a bit of luck and then a lotto win for Mr Freedman. Unfortunately we don't have a Zaha or a 30 goal striker for him to repeat this feat here! Whilst I don't think he is a reincarnated Fergie/Shankley I do think that given time there may be a good manager in there. He probably needs to work his way up through the lower divisions and doesn't seem to be the right fit for us at present.

[thebish]

Seen Beckford today in the Trafford centre. Asked what was going wrong this season and all I got was a shrug of the shoulders and a "dunno mate"

Comes across as someone who really couldn't give a flying feck.

What were you expecting? A Powerpoint presentation?

"I'm utter shite" and a load of tears perhaps

[BL3]

Moritz and Danns are two good signings, get them in midfield alongside someone else and you will head up the table.

He may have been a good player at Palace, but i'm not sure that the Leicester supporters share your view of Danns.

[BL3]

The reason for him to be in the job is that turning that around is a big job and likely to take a handful of seasons.

If it's that big a job, then it needed someone with more experience than him to tackle it.

[BL3]

Then I'd sack Freedman and soon after despatch Eagles and anyone else involved.

Yes let's get rid of the whole lot on the strength of some internet conspiracy theory.

[thebish]

Moritz and Danns are two good signings, get them in midfield alongside someone else and you will head up the table.

He may have been a good player at Palace, but i'm not sure that the Leicester supporters share your view of Danns.

there were several villa fans who told us cahill was shoite...

[BL3]

I don't want to be a hire and fire club but I don't see the option right now.

Since the 2011/12 season, Forest have had five managers. They now appear to have the right person in charge. It can work.

[BL3]

An alleged argument after a game with their Chairman led to Dougie changing to a more attacking formation, a bit of luck and then a lotto win for Mr Freedman.

I seem to remember that Freedman's contract was due to expire at the end of that season and they didn't seem to be much urgency on their part to persuade him to sign a new one.

[BWFC_Insane]

I don't want to be a hire and fire club but I don't see the option right now.

Since the 2011/12 season, Forest have had five managers. They now appear to have the right person in charge. It can work.

They may well do, but time of course will tell. Davies never managed to get them over the line in his previous spell. Also their new owners pumping cash in is probably just as significant.

It is as easy to draw on the Wolves example. And I think their downward spiral is more analagous to where we are as a club right now.

If we make a change we absolutely have to get it right. If that means someone for a short term turnaround then so be it. But it has to be planned rather than forced.

[Athers]

Forest spent £5m and appear to have increased their squad size by about 4 (soccerbase)