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Re: For new signings, ask the man from the Pru

Post by twilight » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:06 pm

TANGODANCER wrote:An honest opinion on Moxey please? My viewing of him is limited, even sparse, but what little I have seen he doesn't look worse than some we've had at left back. We've never really had a star in that position since Ricky Gardner and quite a few worse than our striker cum part-time lefty Henrik Pedersen. Radio commentators don't seem as harsh on him as some of our fans on here, so what's the unbiased view on Moxey?
I'm being honest, he's awful!!

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Re: For new signings, ask the man from the Pru

Post by twilight » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:08 pm

Hoboh wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Hoboh wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn seems positive too given his situation.
In other words you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
constructive about what?

IMHO we have Arthur Daley in charge at the club who appoints a pub team manager to buy twilight career has beens to set us off on the route to the championship!

You'd find something positive in a Skidmark!
Do you mind not getting me involved 8)

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Re: For new signings, ask the man from the Pru

Post by bristol_Wanderer3 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:14 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Hoboh wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn seems positive too given his situation.
In other words you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
Whilst it might be way too early to go into full blown criticism of the new owners, personally, I feel as a supporter, it would be nice to know a lot more detail about our finances and our situation. Unless I have missed something we have not submitted or at least publicly released any accounts for 2-3 years? In general most financial takeovers of football clubs do not appear to include "special measures". So why us with this takeover? For how long? What are the terms to end the special measures? I have read that things are generally moving in the right direction, but until we have actually got to a point where we are functioning like a "normal" club and we can see the details it is hard to blame people for being skeptical.

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Re: For new signings, ask the man from the Pru

Post by bristol_Wanderer3 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:18 pm

Hoboh wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Hoboh wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn seems positive too given his situation.
In other words you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
constructive about what?

IMHO we have Arthur Daley in charge at the club who appoints a pub team manager to buy twilight career has beens to set us off on the route to the championship!

You'd find something positive in a Skidmark!
Ok there is skeptical and downright nonsense. "pub team manager"?? He has a great record of incremental success in his career thus far, and is way towards the very top end of what we could've expected to get. And if there is one thing the team needed it is experienced pros who have a strong character, something we clearly missed last year when at times we looked ok in games but crumbled too easily too often.

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Post by Peter Thompson » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:30 pm

Hoboh wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Hoboh wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn seems positive too given his situation.
In other words you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
constructive about what?

IMHO we have Arthur Daley in charge at the club who appoints a pub team manager to buy twilight career has beens to set us off on the route to the championship!

You'd find something positive in a Skidmark!
Someone's on a fishing trip....

But go on I'll bite - the positive is that we actually have a football club to support, KA & DH kept the club afloat, because ED wasn't interested and was quite prepared to let the club go under, and Phil Parkinson a pub team manager ?, who did you expect Guardiola ?

And I take it from your comments that you would have preferred our superstar development squad players such as Finney, Maher, Threlkeld, Quade Taylor etc in the first team to try & get us back into the championship rather than the experience of Beevers, Howard, Proctor, Buxton etc

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Re: For new signings, ask the man from the Pru

Post by Hoboh » Sat Aug 13, 2016 12:37 pm

bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:
Hoboh wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Hoboh wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn seems positive too given his situation.
In other words you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
constructive about what?

IMHO we have Arthur Daley in charge at the club who appoints a pub team manager to buy twilight career has beens to set us off on the route to the championship!

You'd find something positive in a Skidmark!
Ok there is sceptical and downright nonsense. "pub team manager"?? He has a great record of incremental success in his career thus far, and is way towards the very top end of what we could've expected to get. And if there is one thing the team needed it is experienced pros who have a strong character, something we clearly missed last year when at times we looked ok in games but crumbled too easily too often.
Colchester United

Parkinson left Reading early in 2003 after 11 seasons to take his first steps into the world of management with Colchester United. Despite showing promising signs as he steered the U's to safety upon arrival in February 2003, the 2003–04 season started poorly as Colchester slipped to three straight league defeats, only softened by a victory in the League Cup. The U's' supremo, however, continued to motivate as they surged up the table, looking like play-off contenders at one stage. They may have slipped down towards the end of the season, but a strong FA Cup run, LDV run and a good finish left optimism for U's supporters.

The 2005–06 season saw them finish in 2nd place, thereby gaining an unlikely promotion to the Championship – despite having the lowest average attendance of the division. However, he resigned in June 2006 with a year left to run on his contract.

Hull City

Parkinson was confirmed as the new manager of Hull City in late June 2006, following the departure of Peter Taylor. Hull agreed to pay Colchester £400,000 compensation. However, when he led Hull against his old club, he was embarrassed as his former club romped home 5–1. After another defeat in the next match at home to Southampton 4–2, he left by "mutual consent" in early December, leaving Hull in the relegation zone.

Charlton Athletic

Parkinson then joined Charlton Athletic in January 2007 as assistant manager to Alan Pardew, having previously worked together at Reading. He was close to a return to management with Huddersfield Town in April 2007, but made a last-minute decision to remain with Charlton. Parkinson later extended his contract with Charlton until 2010. Following Alan Pardew's departure in November 2008, he was appointed caretaker manager and given the job permanently on New Year's Eve 2008 despite failing to win any of his eight matches in caretaker charge. Under his management, Charlton were relegated to the third tier of English football for the first time in nearly 30 years.

In League One, Charlton started off very well, winning their first six league matches, but that run was brought to an end after a 1–1 draw at home to Southampton, Parkinson's ex manager Alan Pardew's side. Charlton continued to do well and were in the top two until the new year where Norwich overtook them and they then never returned to the top two, finishing fourth in the league. In the play-offs, they had to play Swindon Town over the two legs and lost the first one 2–1 at the County Ground. But in the second they turned it around and led 2–0 but Swindon fought back and it finished 3–3 on aggregate. Swindon then continued and won on penalties 5–4 to condemn Parkinson and his men to another season in League One. But having not won a league game since November, Parkinson was sacked on 4 January 2011, the day after his side's 4–2 loss at home to Swindon Town.

Bradford City

Parkinson was appointed manager of Bradford City on 28 August 2011. He won the League Two manager of the month for December 2011 after victories over promotion candidates Shrewsbury Town and Crewe Alexandra. Parkinson also enjoyed a promising run in the Johnstones Paint Trophy with the Bantams taking them to the Northern division semi-finals with victories over Yorkshire rivals Sheffield Wednesday and Sheffield United as well as away triumph over fierce local rivals Hudderfield Town on penalties, this before defeat at the hands of Oldham Athletic. He led Bradford to safety finishing 18th in League Two; he then stated that he wanted a promotion push for next season.

On 11 December 2012, Parkinson's Bradford side progressed to the semi-final of the League Cup after an historic victory over Premier League club Arsenal after a penalty shoot-out.

Parkinson then led Bradford to another historic victory in the first leg of the League Cup semi-finals at Valley Parade, defeating Premier League Aston Villa 3–1 in front of 23,245 fans. Despite a 2–1 defeat in the second leg at Villa Park, Bradford won the tie 4–3 on aggregate to progress to the 2013 League Cup Final at Wembley Stadium. In the final, Bradford lost 5–0 to Swansea City. After the match, Parkinson criticised referee Kevin Friend for sending Matt Duke off, which resulted a penalty and described the match as 'harsh'.

His role in taking Bradford City to the Capital One Cup final resulted in him being rewarded with the Outstanding Managerial Achievement award. He said in statement: "I'm very honoured to receive this award. My name might be on it but it is a team award - not just the team on the pitch but the team off it as well." With one match to go at the end of the season, Bradford City qualified for League Two play-off semi-final. After a win over two legs against Burton Albion, Bradford City were promoted to League One after beating Northampton Town 3-0. After the match, Parkinson said that effectively winning against the club in the first half was beyond his wildest dreams. Shortly after, Parkinson signed a new three-year deal with the club, along with coaches Steve Parkin and Nick Allamby.

Parkinson was also the Bradford City manager that orchestrated a 4-2 FA Cup fourth round win away to Chelsea on 24 January 2015. League One side Bradford City had trailed 2–0, but fought back in stunning fashion to record what Robbie Fowler called the 'greatest FA Cup upset of all time'. Fans of Bradford City have gone on to call him, the real 'special one' following the win at Stamford Bridge. Bradford are still the only team, at any level, to have ever overcome a 2-0 deficit at Stamford Bridge and win during the reign of Jose Mourinho. Mourinho entered the Bradford dressing room after the game and shook the hand of every player as a sign of his respect.

Bradford City followed up that win against Chelsea by progressing to the FA Cup quarter-finals by virtue of a win at home to Sunderland on 15 February 2015.

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Re: For new signings, ask the man from the Pru

Post by bristol_Wanderer3 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:00 pm

Is that meant to be a managerial record of your average "pub team manager"?

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Post by Hoboh » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:14 pm

bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:Is that meant to be a managerial record of your average "pub team manager"?
It's meant to say it is hardly
a great record of incremental success in his career thus far
Make of that what you will.

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Post by bristol_Wanderer3 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:25 pm

It says to me that he had a couple of failures, one of those in tricky circumstances at a club recently relegated from the Prem (we have seen how difficult that is), after his initial success at Colchester, and then had a great record of incremental success over five years at Bradford? There is no mention of his record at the White Hart and Dog and Duck in there, perhaps they have been left off his wiki page??

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Post by BWFC_Insane » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:27 pm

Hoboh wrote:
bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:Is that meant to be a managerial record of your average "pub team manager"?
It's meant to say it is hardly
a great record of incremental success in his career thus far
Make of that what you will.
He's promoted Colchester from the league we are in against the odds.

And promoted Bradford from league 2 and improved their league position year on year in this league for 4 seasons.

As above for the level we are at he is about as good an appointment as we could have made. Especially considering we are under an embargo with preciois little cash.

Suggesting everything is positive would be silly. But just a few months ago we went within minutes of administration or worse. We have a manager experienced at this level and have signed 5 or 6 players who have all done well at this level or higher.

Whilst we are still short, can you really have expected much more?

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Post by Hoboh » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:41 pm

bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:It says to me that he had a couple of failures, one of those in tricky circumstances at a club recently relegated from the Prem (we have seen how difficult that is), after his initial success at Colchester, and then had a great record of incremental success over five years at Bradford? There is no mention of his record at the White Hart and Dog and Duck in there, perhaps they have been left off his wiki page??
One promotion and a couple of cup runs?

Ah well he's had his day.

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Post by Hoboh » Sat Aug 13, 2016 1:43 pm

BWFC_Insane wrote:
Hoboh wrote:
bristol_Wanderer3 wrote:Is that meant to be a managerial record of your average "pub team manager"?
It's meant to say it is hardly
a great record of incremental success in his career thus far
Make of that what you will.
He's promoted Colchester from the league we are in against the odds.

And promoted Bradford from league 2 and improved their league position year on year in this league for 4 seasons.

As above for the level we are at he is about as good an appointment as we could have made. Especially considering we are under an embargo with preciois little cash.

Suggesting everything is positive would be silly. But just a few months ago we went within minutes of administration or worse. We have a manager experienced at this level and have signed 5 or 6 players who have all done well at this level or higher.

Whilst we are still short, can you really have expected much more?
Have they?

Are they?

Hardly top players at this level on frees!

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Post by CrazyHorse » Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:00 pm

Hoboh wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Hoboh wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn seems positive too given his situation.
In other words you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
constructive about what?

IMHO we have Arthur Daley in charge at the club who appoints a pub team manager to buy twilight career has beens to set us off on the route to the championship!

You'd find something positive in a Skidmark!
Aye. Pub team manager.
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Post by Bijou Bob » Sat Aug 13, 2016 9:40 pm

This thread has gone off topic. I blame Pru. Where's our striker then?? Boòooooooooooo!
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Post by Prufrock » Sun Aug 14, 2016 3:10 am

With the news that you-know-who is out until Christmas, it looks like this thread has failed in its primary purpose.

Sure, people might point out that's it's the first promising transfer window we've had in donkeys' years, with several promising looking permanent signings, but I was aiming bigger than that.

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Post by TKIZ! » Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:39 am

Prufrock wrote:With the news that you-know-who is out until Christmas, it looks like this thread has failed in its primary purpose.

Sure, people might point out that's it's the first promising transfer window we've had in donkeys' years, with several promising looking permanent signings, but I was aiming bigger than that.

I'm sorry, everyone.
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Post by Bijou Bob » Sun Aug 14, 2016 10:55 am

FFS man, you're a lawyer. Where's the mitigation man?? Where's the sob story?? You can't just come on here with your Mea Culpa, a teaspoon of remorse and an expectation of a reduced haranguing!
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Post by Hoboh » Mon Aug 15, 2016 12:22 am

CrazyHorse wrote:
Hoboh wrote:
BWFC_Insane wrote:
Hoboh wrote:

Jeremy Corbyn seems positive too given his situation.
In other words you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation.
constructive about what?

IMHO we have Arthur Daley in charge at the club who appoints a pub team manager to buy twilight career has beens to set us off on the route to the championship!

You'd find something positive in a Skidmark!
Aye. Pub team manager.
We'll see

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:30 am

BN says Parky turned down two offers for Vela from Champo clubs last week; he wants to keep him. Sun says Wigan offered £250,000 plus our old friend Craig Davies.

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Post by thebish » Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:34 am

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:BN says Parky turned down two offers for Vela from Champo clubs last week; he wants to keep him. Sun says Wigan offered £250,000 plus our old friend Craig Davies.
if parky sees summat there - then let's hope he can bring it out - he's still young enough to learn.

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