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[Dave Sutton's barnet]

and I wanted to rest him on Tuesday against Blackpool. In the end we had to play him .

Have we found out what happened to Derik on Tuesday?

Iles wrote before the Wimbledon game: "Parkinson confirmed that Derik Osede will not be in contention this weekend but could return in a week to feature against Fleetwood Town after a minor groin problem."

[LeverEnd]

Seems like Wiggin are serious about Vela. I wonder if I'm. Missing something with him. Not the first higher level club to rate him so they must be seeing something I can't. Any of you footballers on here explain to a non footballer what it is?

I'm not mad keen to get rid in case they're right and he turns out to be decent, but equally I'm not bothered if he goes.

[Peter Thompson]

Seems like Wiggin are serious about Vela. I wonder if I'm. Missing something with him. Not the first higher level club to rate him so they must be seeing something I can't. Any of you footballers on here explain to a non footballer what it is?

I'm not mad keen to get rid in case they're right and he turns out to be decent, but equally I'm not bothered if he goes.

Excellent - I'll pay for his taxi fare....

He's a player who IMO 'appears' to just do enough, to me he doesn't look like he's interested half the time and just goes through the motions....we need committed, driven players who will give 100% every game with a run through a brick wall mentality & to me Vela doesn't have or give this.

So its a yes from me....

[BWFC_Insane]

Seems like Wiggin are serious about Vela. I wonder if I'm. Missing something with him. Not the first higher level club to rate him so they must be seeing something I can't. Any of you footballers on here explain to a non footballer what it is?

I'm not mad keen to get rid in case they're right and he turns out to be decent, but equally I'm not bothered if he goes.

Excellent - I'll pay for his taxi fare....

He's a player who IMO 'appears' to just do enough, to me he doesn't look like he's interested half the time and just goes through the motions....we need committed, driven players who will give 100% every game with a run through a brick wall mentality & to me Vela doesn't have or give this.

So its a yes from me....

Trouble is we'd need a replacement. And he's not going to fetch much given he's out of contract in under 12 months. Their first offer was £250K plus Davies. Lets say they offer £350K max. That isn't going to go far given we'd need a replacement. I also begin to think as we're coming to the end of the window we might struggle to fill the gaps in the squad as it stands without creating new ones.

[Andy Waller]

Seems like Wiggin are serious about Vela. I wonder if I'm. Missing something with him. Not the first higher level club to rate him so they must be seeing something I can't. Any of you footballers on here explain to a non footballer what it is?

I'm not mad keen to get rid in case they're right and he turns out to be decent, but equally I'm not bothered if he goes.

Excellent - I'll pay for his taxi fare....

He's a player who IMO 'appears' to just do enough, to me he doesn't look like he's interested half the time and just goes through the motions....we need committed, driven players who will give 100% every game with a run through a brick wall mentality & to me Vela doesn't have or give this.

So its a yes from me....

Trouble is we'd need a replacement. And he's not going to fetch much given he's out of contract in under 12 months. Their first offer was £250K plus Davies. Lets say they offer £350K max. That isn't going to go far given we'd need a replacement. I also begin to think as we're coming to the end of the window we might struggle to fill the gaps in the squad as it stands without creating new ones.

But £350k might fund a loan?

I can't see the point in Vela really.

He's not bad but he's a 5/10 in every department.

[BWFC_Insane]

Seems like Wiggin are serious about Vela. I wonder if I'm. Missing something with him. Not the first higher level club to rate him so they must be seeing something I can't. Any of you footballers on here explain to a non footballer what it is?

I'm not mad keen to get rid in case they're right and he turns out to be decent, but equally I'm not bothered if he goes.

Excellent - I'll pay for his taxi fare....

He's a player who IMO 'appears' to just do enough, to me he doesn't look like he's interested half the time and just goes through the motions....we need committed, driven players who will give 100% every game with a run through a brick wall mentality & to me Vela doesn't have or give this.

So its a yes from me....

Trouble is we'd need a replacement. And he's not going to fetch much given he's out of contract in under 12 months. Their first offer was £250K plus Davies. Lets say they offer £350K max. That isn't going to go far given we'd need a replacement. I also begin to think as we're coming to the end of the window we might struggle to fill the gaps in the squad as it stands without creating new ones.

But £350k might fund a loan?

I can't see the point in Vela really.

He's not bad but he's a 5/10 in every department.

Might do. I'm lukewarm on Vela too, I just think we aren't exactly in a great position to sign players, needing FL approval and the money isn't massive. So we might get a replacement out of it, if we're lucky. If someone offered a couple of million for Clough, for example we could probably strengthen more significantly than we can with Vela.

Were Pratley not injured it might be different as we could probably survive without a direct replacement and use the cash for a winger.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Trouble is we'd need a replacement. And he's not going to fetch much given he's out of contract in under 12 months. Their first offer was £250K plus Davies. Lets say they offer £350K max. That isn't going to go far given we'd need a replacement. I also begin to think as we're coming to the end of the window we might struggle to fill the gaps in the squad as it stands without creating new ones.

Yep. Sell Vela and we're left with Spearing, Trotter and Mavies, at least two of whom are somewhat in-and-out. Assuming we still wouldn't be spending transfer fees, finding replacements won't be easy now the season's under way - surely all but the weirdoes are no longer on a free, so we'd be reduced to squad outsiders like Andrew Taylor. We'd also almost certainly get someone closer to 30 than 20, probably the wrong side of 30, and suddenly our midfield's not so much "experienced" as "wizened".

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

If someone offered a couple of million for Clough, for example we could probably strengthen more significantly than we can with Vela.

Didn't we sell another young lad for millions recently?

[BWFC_Insane]

If someone offered a couple of million for Clough, for example we could probably strengthen more significantly than we can with Vela.

Didn't we sell another young lad for millions recently?

Yes. Trouble is, if you believe Iles that money is "paying the bills".

That is my worry, we're not out of the woods yet so any fee may just get swallowed up. Not sure Ken's put owt in yet.

[Peter Thompson]

Seems like Wiggin are serious about Vela. I wonder if I'm. Missing something with him. Not the first higher level club to rate him so they must be seeing something I can't. Any of you footballers on here explain to a non footballer what it is?

I'm not mad keen to get rid in case they're right and he turns out to be decent, but equally I'm not bothered if he goes.

Excellent - I'll pay for his taxi fare....

He's a player who IMO 'appears' to just do enough, to me he doesn't look like he's interested half the time and just goes through the motions....we need committed, driven players who will give 100% every game with a run through a brick wall mentality & to me Vela doesn't have or give this.

So its a yes from me....

Trouble is we'd need a replacement. And he's not going to fetch much given he's out of contract in under 12 months. Their first offer was £250K plus Davies. Lets say they offer £350K max. That isn't going to go far given we'd need a replacement. I also begin to think as we're coming to the end of the window we might struggle to fill the gaps in the squad as it stands without creating new ones.

But £350k might fund a loan?

I can't see the point in Vela really.

He's not bad but he's a 5/10 in every department.

I think that we would probably get £500k for him at least, even though he's out of contract at the end of the season - so yes perhaps the cash would pay for a couple of loans or 1 x loan & C Davies who I would have back anytime - I'd rather have him up front than Madine, IMO a fit motivated C Davies & Proctor would be a decent strike force in League 1.

Craig Davies is a better striker than Madine IMO, saying that Ben Amos is probably a better striker than Madine.

And with regards to 5/10 I agree, I think Vela is a weak link in the current team with regards to his sulking attitude, work rate & mentality....like I said, to me he's not a team player and appears to play like he doesn't give a shit whether the team wins, loses or draws.

[LeverEnd]

None of this answers my question!! What's he good at? Why do Cardiff and Wigan and even allegedly Liverpool see? Why did Bobo want to adopt him?
I need an education. Not a Dougie one though, because he didn't rate him either.
On balance I'd keep him. Useful for the squad and can play RB where Buxton is injury prone and Wilson clueless.

[BWFC_Insane]

I think that we would probably get £500k for him at least, even though he's out of contract at the end of the season - so yes perhaps the cash would pay for a couple of loans or 1 x loan & C Davies who I would have back anytime - I'd rather have him up front than Madine, IMO a fit motivated C Davies & Proctor would be a decent strike force in League 1.

Craig Davies is a better striker than Madine IMO, saying that Ben Amos is probably a better striker than Madine.

And with regards to 5/10 I agree, I think Vela is a weak link in the current team with regards to his sulking attitude, work rate & mentality....like I said, to me he's not a team player and appears to play like he doesn't give a shit whether the team wins, loses or draws.

I've heard, and of course we don't know, but rumour is we can't pay loan fees as the league won't allow it. That is why the Taylor deal dragged on because we had to negotiate with Wigan.

That could rule us out of things if true.

[Peter Thompson]

But the Taylor deal is a season long loan (he's out of contract at the end of the season, so he could sign permanently then if he's any good ?), but I'm sure that I've seen a quote from PP saying that it's a loan.

[Andy Waller]

None of this answers my question!! What's he good at? Why do Cardiff and Wigan and even allegedly Liverpool see? Why did Bobo want to adopt him?
I need an education. Not a Dougie one though, because he didn't rate him either.
On balance I'd keep him. Useful for the squad and can play RB where Buxton is injury prone and Wilson clueless.

I agree with you, he'd be a useful "utility player".

But if he's going to sulk about it, there's no point.

He's no Scott Green, I'll tell you that...

[BWFC_Insane]

But the Taylor deal is a season long loan (he's out of contract at the end of the season, so he could sign permanently then if he's any good ?), but I'm sure that I've seen a quote from PP saying that it's a loan.

Yes, it is a season long loan. I believe without a fee as Wigan wanted rid. And they're paying some of his wages.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

But the Taylor deal is a season long loan (he's out of contract at the end of the season, so he could sign permanently then if he's any good ?), but I'm sure that I've seen a quote from PP saying that it's a loan.

Yes, it is a season long loan. I believe without a fee as Wigan wanted rid. And they're paying some of his wages.

PP, BN:

It has been termed a loan but that is just what we had to do logistically to get him through the door.

Shades of Paul Robinson...

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

More from BN:

The Bolton News understand Wanderers are not considering any swap deal at present but are bracing themselves for a third bid from their near neighbours... it is as a full-back that Gary Caldwell is believed to have targeted Vela

We’re not going to get carried away, me and the chairman know we have got to improve the squad further. We are realistic. Hopefully within the next week or so we can strengthen further and make ourselves as competitive as possible.

[Bruce Rioja]

I won't miss him as a full-back, which is seemingly the position that Wiggin have him down for, but I think that with the correct coaching and a prolonged run then there's a very decent midfielder in there somewhere. Certainly better than a few others that are currently costing us a small fortune.

[boltonboris]

None of this answers my question!! What's he good at? Why do Cardiff and Wigan and even allegedly Liverpool see? Why did Bobo want to adopt him?
I need an education. Not a Dougie one though, because he didn't rate him either.
On balance I'd keep him. Useful for the squad and can play RB where Buxton is injury prone and Wilson clueless.

You were doing well until you said Wilson was clueless.

[irie Cee Bee]

We''l look decidedly weaker as a squad without Vela so I cant see us letting him unless we get a significant offer close to 750K, considering he has only 1 year left on his contract, considering his experience and considering his age.