Deal or no deal? - Summer 2022 Transfer gossip!

[TANGODANCER]

It's all a Dutch auction with agents being the only real winners. Everything seems temporary and short term with not a small amount of deception involved. I suppose if you sit down at the Poker table, we're no different than the rest except we have less money so get frozen out by the wealthy.

I would like to know where Evatt is heading and what he has, if anything, up his sleeve.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I would like to know where Evatt is heading and what he has, if anything, up his sleeve.

Whenever he makes a public proclamation of intent he makes himself a hostage to fortune, and often has it turned into a stick to beat him with.

I'd like to see some players in, some good ones, but just for now I'm happy to trust the process. Clearly we're still in a position where agents are holding out for more than we want to give. It's mid-June, and we'd be less edgy had Evatt not said he wanted his business done before flying to Portugal. Then again, maybe that was an early warning shot to agents. We don't have to look far back to see the results of overspending.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

That would be...rogue from him and his agent. Wonder if Sadlier has been in his ear telling them how great it is :mrgrin:

What it tells me (if true) is that he clearly hasn't asked Sadlier about playing wingback for Rotherham, which would be foolish, or disregards the bloke's opinion, which would be c*ntish.

Aye, though my mainly facetious point was that as the main beneficiary when Marlon got injured, maybe Kieran lied

"Oh no it wasn't for me, all they wanted me to do was fly forward and do somersaults if I scored, it was awful unless you're really into that sort of thing"

Yeah
But in seriousness, if either Fossey or Barky think Rotherham's a better fit than us, then... well, they haven't watched much Rotherham.

Much as it sticks in my throat, I suspect Wigan is a better destination for Fossey. Preston (under wingback-lover Lowe) might be better yet, although I'm not confident on their financials post-Hemmings. I can understand Barky wanting to work under Rooney but again you're a hostage to fortune. Ask Wednesday about being a big club in this division. Or Sunderland.

[GhostoftheBok]

There are a lot of people on Twitter taking the "he's shit anyway, let's move on" view of Barky. I wonder how many of those will Tweets will survive if we announce him next week.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

There are a lot of people on Twitter taking the "he's shit anyway, let's move on" view of Barky. I wonder how many of those will Tweets will survive if we announce him next week.

Depends on the poster. Some folk will just double down.

[officer_dibble]

Mmmmy that journalist has 1500 followers…he’s not screaming ITK to me. Would be surprised if Fossey went to Rotherham - obviously a better bet next season than us but it’s not the most attractive place to play football. Would scream shop window to me, hoping he gets a better gig.

[GhostoftheBok]

Mmmmy that journalist has 1500 followers…he’s not screaming ITK to me. Would be surprised if Fossey went to Rotherham - obviously a better bet next season than us but it’s not the most attractive place to play football. Would scream shop window to me, hoping he gets a better gig.

For what it's worth, Rotherham are definitely interested in him. Dunno if he's all done, but the offer is there.

[Prufrock]

That would be...rogue from him and his agent. Wonder if Sadlier has been in his ear telling them how great it is :mrgrin:

What it tells me (if true) is that he clearly hasn't asked Sadlier about playing wingback for Rotherham, which would be foolish, or disregards the bloke's opinion, which would be c*ntish.

Aye, though my mainly facetious point was that as the main beneficiary when Marlon got injured, maybe Kieran lied

"Oh no it wasn't for me, all they wanted me to do was fly forward and do somersaults if I scored, it was awful unless you're really into that sort of thing"

Yeah
But in seriousness, if either Fossey or Barky think Rotherham's a better fit than us, then... well, they haven't watched much Rotherham.

Much as it sticks in my throat, I suspect Wigan is a better destination for Fossey. Preston (under wingback-lover Lowe) might be better yet, although I'm not confident on their financials post-Hemmings. I can understand Barky wanting to work under Rooney but again you're a hostage to fortune. Ask Wednesday about being a big club in this division. Or Sunderland.

Had the same thought on Wigan but couldn't bear to commit it to...well not paper.

Wednesday probably cuts both ways. Despite being last summer's basket case they finished in the playoffs (above us) and lost to the winners. He might be thinking if Derby can get it done relatively soon they're still a better get, presumably with bigger wedge.

I can see argument for holding out. I mean I'd sack then off and come to us, but then I'm a Wanderer.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

Wednesday probably cuts both ways. Despite being last summer's basket case they finished in the playoffs (above us) and lost to the winners.

The noises in late spring were that this summer might be even worse for them without promotion – that they might be at risk of another points deduction. The 20/21 figures, released in May, showed them losing £25m on the season and spending £209 for every £100 they earned. And their TV money was set to drop from around £7.5m to £1.5m.

But don't set me off on that financial gap again...

[BWFC_Insane]

That would be...rogue from him and his agent. Wonder if Sadlier has been in his ear telling them how great it is :mrgrin:

What it tells me (if true) is that he clearly hasn't asked Sadlier about playing wingback for Rotherham, which would be foolish, or disregards the bloke's opinion, which would be c*ntish.

Aye, though my mainly facetious point was that as the main beneficiary when Marlon got injured, maybe Kieran lied

"Oh no it wasn't for me, all they wanted me to do was fly forward and do somersaults if I scored, it was awful unless you're really into that sort of thing"

Yeah
But in seriousness, if either Fossey or Barky think Rotherham's a better fit than us, then... well, they haven't watched much Rotherham.

Much as it sticks in my throat, I suspect Wigan is a better destination for Fossey. Preston (under wingback-lover Lowe) might be better yet, although I'm not confident on their financials post-Hemmings. I can understand Barky wanting to work under Rooney but again you're a hostage to fortune. Ask Wednesday about being a big club in this division. Or Sunderland.

Sort of thing clubs used to say about players joining us under Big Sam.

It’s not really that relevant to Fossey who would fit into most styles. I can’t see Barkhuizen ending up there personally but we will see.

Wanting to go to championship Rotherham makes a lot more sense than being hung up on working for fat scouse tw@t at basket case in administration for 9 months Derby.

[GhostoftheBok]

FLW is claiming we are in for Matt Butcher, but that he's off to Plymouth. Their sourcing is usually pretty good. That doesn't mean they're right.

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/sourc ... r-signing/

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

if either Fossey or Barky think Rotherham's a better fit than us, then... well, they haven't watched much Rotherham.

Sort of thing clubs used to say about players joining us under Big Sam.

It’s not really that relevant to Fossey who would fit into most styles. I can’t see Barkhuizen ending up there personally but we will see.

Wanting to go to championship Rotherham makes a lot more sense than being hung up on working for fat scouse tw@t at basket case in administration for 9 months Derby.

Which "clubs" said anything about players joining us under Big Sam?

Sadlier has just come from Rotherham and said the life of a wingback there is stifling and unadventurous, so I don't think Fossey – always something of a defensive question mark - will thrive there. Fossey joined us as a right-back, but fits best in a team with attacking wing-backs providing high width. For example, us or, if he wants to go up a division, maybe Preston.

As for "fat scouse tw@t", that seems to me to be a similar sort of regionalist, sizeist abuse levelled by ignorant fans at, funnily enough, Sam Allardyce.

Hypothetical: If Barky went to Rotherham and Fossey to Derby, would you say the same thing?

[BWFC_Insane]

if either Fossey or Barky think Rotherham's a better fit than us, then... well, they haven't watched much Rotherham.

Sort of thing clubs used to say about players joining us under Big Sam.

It’s not really that relevant to Fossey who would fit into most styles. I can’t see Barkhuizen ending up there personally but we will see.

Wanting to go to championship Rotherham makes a lot more sense than being hung up on working for fat scouse tw@t at basket case in administration for 9 months Derby.

Which "clubs" said anything about players joining us under Big Sam?

Sadlier has just come from Rotherham and said the life of a wingback there is stifling and unadventurous, so I don't think Fossey – always something of a defensive question mark - will thrive there. Fossey joined us as a right-back, but fits best in a team with attacking wing-backs providing high width. For example, us or, if he wants to go up a division, maybe Preston.

As for "fat scouse tw@t", that seems to me to be a similar sort of regionalist, sizeist abuse levelled by ignorant fans at, funnily enough, Sam Allardyce.

Hypothetical: If Barky went to Rotherham and Fossey to Derby, would you say the same thing?

I don’t particularly like talking clubs down because of perceived style. It’s bollocks. Like the sort of thing we had when we finished top 8 of the premiership four seasons in a row and people used to just complain about how we played. ‘Who would want to go there and play like that’.

I don’t really see Fossey as being too constricted by style. But he’s not coming here and I don’t really care after that.

If anyone genuinely chose Derby over Rotherham they want their bumps feeling. If someone is waiting for Derby now rather than coming here then again it’s up to them but I wouldn’t understand that. Who knows what happens there?

Can’t stand Rooney and I make no apologies for it. Blokes thick as mince. Not some experienced manager.

[GhostoftheBok]

Can’t stand Rooney and I make no apologies for it. Blokes thick as mince. Not some experienced manager.

If you think Rooney is thick by football standards I have bad news for you...

Can't stand him as a person, but he's not thick. Certainly not when it comes to football. Uneducated, sure.

[GhostoftheBok]

Iles reporting there are 23 players in Portugal. Given Traf didn't go the "official" number is 21. Fun times, summers.

[The_Gun]

Iles reporting there are 23 players in Portugal. Given Traf didn't go the "official" number is 21. Fun times, summers.

Some combination of Lockett, Hutchinson and Senior?

[GhostoftheBok]

Some combination of Lockett, Hutchinson and Senior?

Could be, but I don't think Iles would have made a point of tweeting the numbers unless he was teasing something. Just supposition, though.

[The_Gun]

I’d be surprised if we’ve travelled with only one keeper, so my money would be on Hutchinson being there.

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

I don’t particularly like talking clubs down because of perceived style. It’s bollocks. Like the sort of thing we had when we finished top 8 of the premiership four seasons in a row and people used to just complain about how we played. ‘Who would want to go there and play like that’.

I don’t really see Fossey as being too constricted by style. But he’s not coming here and I don’t really care after that.

If anyone genuinely chose Derby over Rotherham they want their bumps feeling. If someone is waiting for Derby now rather than coming here then again it’s up to them but I wouldn’t understand that. Who knows what happens there?

Can’t stand Rooney and I make no apologies for it. Blokes thick as mince. Not some experienced manager.

Aren't you the bloke who doesn't want us to play like Man City, but like Liverpool? Only a fool would argue that clubs don't have different styles. One person who was subject to Rotherham's style, who now plays for us, hated playing as a wingback there. It's not very often you get players so openly derogatory of a playing style, so that's intriguing. And that is a player who played in that style and indeed position, not some shitposter clamouring for attention. I know we had those claims under Allardyce, and I see the parallel you're trying to make, but I see a clear difference between Youri Djorkaeff and Michael Smith.

Doesn't surprise me that you don't see Fossey as being restricted by style as you genuinely seem to have built him up into just about the best player outside the Premier League. He's not. I would like him to play for us, and I think he will be difficult to replace; but I honestly can't see him fitting the bill for many teams as a right-back, his supposed position. Right-winger, maybe. But Rotherham play wingbacks, and they had a much more rigid structure than us in League One; I can't imagine they'll suddenly turn into Holland 74 when they're playing in a division where the average annual wage bill is £32m.

Choosing Derby over Rotherham isn't what I asked – I was just wondering whether you would castigate Fossey by the same yardstick you were using to beat Barky – but I can imagine someone taking it a a medium-term gamble; if the takeover succeeds, they're arguably more likely to be in the Champ in two years than Rotherham. But it's a gamble.

As for Rooney... I dunno, I just think that every time a working class footballer with an accent makes it big, everybody rehashes the old jokes that used to be used for Irish labourers. Happened to Beckham before Rooney. I doubt either is a Mensa candidate but equally I doubt Stephen Fry could have led a decimated Derby team to win 55 points from 46 games last season. IMO that was a far greater achievement than them getting 74pts (one fewer than the previous season under Gary Rowett) while smashing FFP and calling in all sorts of loanee favours under Frank Lampard, the private-school boy who got an A* in his Latin GCSE.

[GhostoftheBok]

I suspect that Fossey might do okay at Rotherham, as Ogbene has.