FA Cup - Third round at home against Wigan.
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Correct, and everything can be forgiven for that.LeverEnd wrote:Just watched , great pass from Trotter for the goal. Also what an amazing save from Bogdan. Couldn't work out how he got such a powerful header over the bar at the time ans still can't.Dr Hotdog wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30668142" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;TANGODANCER wrote:We got eight seconds :Bogdan's save and the goal on MOTD plus a full ten seconds of Lennony's comments. Almost twenty seconds. Fame at last.
3 minutes of highlights here Tango.
And because of that will hold my tongue about the rest of his game...
On Radio Manc on the way home they were saying of Clough 'best debut since Franny Lee in 1961'

I was at that game n all... IIRC Lee scored and was booked... Thus setting a pattern for his entire career...
We have to keep control of the hype... but so promising...
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Even from the 3min highlights it just looks like another of those performances we've put in under Lennon where we look absolutely rampant going forward but are missing that extra bit of quality that would take us from the results we get now (which I'm not complaining about) to a real top side in this division.
There's pressing, there's great transition from defence to attack and vice versa, there's some freedom of movement as well... the players look like they're having fun whilst still working hard, which is a great position to be in. Progress still to be made in certain areas but what team in the Championship honestly can't say that either?
Clough looked great in those highlights, at the centre of all the most dangerous attacks, loved to run at the defence and just looked like he'd been playing in this side for a couple of years not for the very first time!
There's pressing, there's great transition from defence to attack and vice versa, there's some freedom of movement as well... the players look like they're having fun whilst still working hard, which is a great position to be in. Progress still to be made in certain areas but what team in the Championship honestly can't say that either?
Clough looked great in those highlights, at the centre of all the most dangerous attacks, loved to run at the defence and just looked like he'd been playing in this side for a couple of years not for the very first time!
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Spot on - agree with all this, but particularly the highlighted. The team is working so hard and to such good effect... six wins and a draw in our last seven at home... Let's start getting the same commitment away...danardif1 wrote:Even from the 3min highlights it just looks like another of those performances we've put in under Lennon where we look absolutely rampant going forward but are missing that extra bit of quality that would take us from the results we get now (which I'm not complaining about) to a real top side in this division.
There's pressing, there's great transition from defence to attack and vice versa, there's some freedom of movement as well... the players look like they're having fun whilst still working hard, which is a great position to be in. Progress still to be made in certain areas but what team in the Championship honestly can't say that either?
Clough looked great in those highlights, at the centre of all the most dangerous attacks, loved to run at the defence and just looked like he'd been playing in this side for a couple of years not for the very first time!
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In fairness, Wigan looked to defend doggedly and Al Habsi made a couple of cracking saves. We looked to play some really creditable stuff going forward. Much more like a Wanderers side than we've done for a fair while. Good feeling.danardif1 wrote:Even from the 3min highlights it just looks like another of those performances we've put in under Lennon where we look absolutely rampant going forward but are missing that extra bit of quality that would take us from the results we get now (which I'm not complaining about) to a real top side in this division.
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It's more the feeling that with a little bit more quality we could rip some teams apart with the kind of intensity and pressure we're capable of at the moment. The Reading game was a frustrating example as in the second half there were moments where we really turned on the style but didn't have that extra something to break Reading down and score... if we had there were enough chances to score a hatful. Same in this game by the looks of it, that little bit extra would take us from a 1-0 win to an absolute thrashing of them no matter how deep they defended or how many saves Al-Habsi makes.
You're right though, this team under Lennon has all the hallmarks of a 'classic' Wanderers side, and we're probably a Super John away from the kind of side we had under Rioch... I definitely feel happier being a Wanderer than I have done in the last few seasons.
You're right though, this team under Lennon has all the hallmarks of a 'classic' Wanderers side, and we're probably a Super John away from the kind of side we had under Rioch... I definitely feel happier being a Wanderer than I have done in the last few seasons.
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Was Clough really as good as those highlights suggest? Because if so he looks like a 10m-20m talent. Clearly our academy is bearing fruit, now we have manager prepared to give youth a chance, and to be fair, a lower league and a state of affairs within the club that makes it less of a gamble in giving youth a chance. Still, pretty sure Vela, Threlkeld, Wilkinson, Clough, and even Clayton and Hall wouldn't have been given much pitch time under Freedman. I am starting to feel the football bug coming back....

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Oh dear. If you're going to criticize something, especially something like the the length of a broadcaster's coverage of a certain event, then it's best to hang on to see if there's perhaps a little lengthier and more detailed piece about to come along, or not, before sounding off about it. Otherwise - crack on.TANGODANCER wrote:We got eight seconds :Bogdan's save and the goal on MOTD plus a full ten seconds of Lennony's comments. Almost twenty seconds. Fame at last.

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Not available outside the UK.Dr Hotdog wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/30668142" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;TANGODANCER wrote:We got eight seconds :Bogdan's save and the goal on MOTD plus a full ten seconds of Lennony's comments. Almost twenty seconds. Fame at last.
3 minutes of highlights here Tango.

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I've been impressed with our football since Lennon came in. The Championship is a tough division and there'll always be games when you underperform and get beaten by a team who, on paper, should be an easy win, but overall, I'm very impressed so far. Our passing has improved, the movement is better, the defensive set-up is vastly improved and we're a better team for it. Put a fit Mark Davies alone back into the squad and I'd be very confident of promotion this season and whilst he's a very good player, it shows that we aren't far off. I hope Lennon is given a bit of money in the window because this can be our season with a couple of players.
There are still flaws with us under Lennon but the signs are promising, I agree. We look like a team that is properly set up and organised now and it's been a long, long time since you could last say that.
There are still flaws with us under Lennon but the signs are promising, I agree. We look like a team that is properly set up and organised now and it's been a long, long time since you could last say that.
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Looking at Clough in the highlights, he looked like a slim Mavies to me. Perhaps the lad is worth a start whilst CYL is away playing in that central attacking role alongside Cravit's.
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My own thoughts about Zach Clough when he was being subbed was that he had done pretty well for his first start. I even mentioned to the bloke sat next to me that he should be given another chance soon.
No one where I was sat in the East Lower was waxing lyrically about his performance being outstanding. I did give him a standing ovation like most people though and considering he is only 19 (I thought he was 20 or 21) it changes slightly how I rated his performance.
He took his goal very well and made a number of forages during the game but don't make him the saviour of BWFC just yet. It was certainly promising and hopefully he will be given another chance in the next round.
No one where I was sat in the East Lower was waxing lyrically about his performance being outstanding. I did give him a standing ovation like most people though and considering he is only 19 (I thought he was 20 or 21) it changes slightly how I rated his performance.
He took his goal very well and made a number of forages during the game but don't make him the saviour of BWFC just yet. It was certainly promising and hopefully he will be given another chance in the next round.
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Does Spearing staying on the bench mean he is not cup tied? Might be a factor in sellng him...
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Don't think anyone's mentioned it.......Yet another clean sheet! ( think it's the norm now so not with mentioning)
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That's a bit unnecessary...Bruce Rioja wrote:Oh dear. If you're going to criticize something, especially something like the the length of a broadcaster's coverage of a certain event, then it's best to hang on to see if there's perhaps a little lengthier and more detailed piece about to come along, or not, before sounding off about it. Otherwise - crack on.TANGODANCER wrote:We got eight seconds :Bogdan's save and the goal on MOTD plus a full ten seconds of Lennony's comments. Almost twenty seconds. Fame at last.
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Firstly, Sir Big Bollocks, I had already seen the bit that Doc posted (it was already in the thread) Secondly, if I wish to comment/sound off about anything, something I can normally do without anyone but yourself commenting on it, then I will. I don't need your permission to "crack-on" about anything. Your childish bully-boy, piss-taking and spiteful attempts at rubbishing my comments on a regularly basis are more time-wasting than of any consequence. Try posting something that matters instead of being such a prat. That do for you?Bruce Rioja wrote:Oh dear. If you're going to criticize something, especially something like the the length of a broadcaster's coverage of a certain event, then it's best to hang on to see if there's perhaps a little lengthier and more detailed piece about to come along, or not, before sounding off about it. Otherwise - crack on.TANGODANCER wrote:We got eight seconds :Bogdan's save and the goal on MOTD plus a full ten seconds of Lennony's comments. Almost twenty seconds. Fame at last.
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I sat with Burnden Paddock and we were talking about him from early on, and then saying if anyone deserved a goal, it was him. I expected him to fade, but he didn't, and he scored when Wigan had been pressing quite hard for a winner of their own. WW was reminded of Franny Lee, who was before my time, for me it was Jason Macateer in terms of impact I've seen. Except Clough can finish!malcd1 wrote:My own thoughts about Zach Clough when he was being subbed was that he had done pretty well for his first start. I even mentioned to the bloke sat next to me that he should be given another chance soon.
No one where I was sat in the East Lower was waxing lyrically about his performance being outstanding. I did give him a standing ovation like most people though and considering he is only 19 (I thought he was 20 or 21) it changes slightly how I rated his performance.
He took his goal very well and made a number of forages during the game but don't make him the saviour of BWFC just yet. It was certainly promising and hopefully he will be given another chance in the next round.
I guess we all notice different things in a game (see Trotter, L.)
Also fair play to Lennon, just brilliant management. Keep a strong team and have the confidence and daring to give a youngster a chance in a key position. Eidur on the bench just in case gets a rest, and a perfectly stage-managed substitution to leave the lad feeling 10 feet tall (well, 5ft 10 in his case!). Then of course you've got his nan on the radio which everyone is talking about positively. The turnaround in mood at the this club is astonishing, and everyone should get involved while they can.
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And if you post shit, as you do ad infinitum, expect it to be challenged. There's no 'big bollocks' about it. Nothing personal, just my view.TANGODANCER wrote:Firstly, Sir Big Bollocks, I had already seen the bit that Doc posted (it was already in the thread) Secondly, if I wish to comment/sound off about anything, something I can normally do without anyone but yourself commenting on it, then I will. I don't need your permission to "crack-on" about anything. Your childish bully-boy, piss-taking and spiteful attempts at rubbishing my comments on a regularly basis are more time-wasting than of any consequence. Try posting something that matters instead of being such a prat. That do for you?Bruce Rioja wrote:Oh dear. If you're going to criticize something, especially something like the the length of a broadcaster's coverage of a certain event, then it's best to hang on to see if there's perhaps a little lengthier and more detailed piece about to come along, or not, before sounding off about it. Otherwise - crack on.TANGODANCER wrote:We got eight seconds :Bogdan's save and the goal on MOTD plus a full ten seconds of Lennony's comments. Almost twenty seconds. Fame at last.

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You're not wrong. I was one of those who came away from yesterday's game thinking that it was like playing with ten men with Trotter in the side, and questioning what exactly it is that he is supposed to offer us, but having watched the highlights it seems that I might have done him a bit of a disservice.LeverEnd wrote:I sat with Burnden Paddock and we were talking about him from early on, and then saying if anyone deserved a goal, it was him. I expected him to fade, but he didn't, and he scored when Wigan had been pressing quite hard for a winner of their own. WW was reminded of Franny Lee, who was before my time, for me it was Jason Macateer in terms of impact I've seen. Except Clough can finish!malcd1 wrote:My own thoughts about Zach Clough when he was being subbed was that he had done pretty well for his first start. I even mentioned to the bloke sat next to me that he should be given another chance soon.
No one where I was sat in the East Lower was waxing lyrically about his performance being outstanding. I did give him a standing ovation like most people though and considering he is only 19 (I thought he was 20 or 21) it changes slightly how I rated his performance.
He took his goal very well and made a number of forages during the game but don't make him the saviour of BWFC just yet. It was certainly promising and hopefully he will be given another chance in the next round.
I guess we all notice different things in a game (see Trotter, L.)
Also fair play to Lennon, just brilliant management. Keep a strong team and have the confidence and daring to give a youngster a chance in a key position. Eidur on the bench just in case gets a rest, and a perfectly stage-managed substitution to leave the lad feeling 10 feet tall (well, 5ft 10 in his case!). Then of course you've got his nan on the radio which everyone is talking about positively. The turnaround in mood at the this club is astonishing, and everyone should get involved while they can.
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From what I've seen it looked like Mr Feeney was having a chiefly difficult afternoon. How was his overall game?
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Overall, a positive contribution. He certainly worked hard. He gets crosses in - though often without finding one of ours (that is a two way problem, obviously). Was worth his place yesterday.Bruce Rioja wrote:From what I've seen it looked like Mr Feeney was having a chiefly difficult afternoon. How was his overall game?
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