Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by DJBlu » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:11 pm

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9 points off top, I dunno that tables not a a great read for me. Will ignore and just enjoy the win tonight!
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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by Worthy4England » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:47 pm

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Four points behind champions-elect Birmingham. Funny old game.
9 behind a team with one of our third choice? Midfielders? Not about what you got. It's how you make the best of it. I'm completely fcuked off with "brand." Make it fcuking work.

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Post by officer_dibble » Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:51 pm

For me it’s more about us being behind and well off the pace of Wrexham and bloody Stockport. Both could charge straight through this league by making it work rather than titting about with a brand!

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by Armchair Wanderer » Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:01 pm

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That was the worst 1st half that I can ever remember at the Reebok it was dire, at HT I personally thought that if we had lost Evatt was gone it was that bad. 2nd half we moved the ball quicker, played with more tempo & intensity - why can we only play for 45 mins, its been an issue every season under Evatt we only play in one half of a game - why can't this be addressed ?, the players attitude in the 1st half was shocking, everything was so slow.
I didn't see the game but I hear that kind of thing a lot, ie only playing one half.

Remembering years ago when managers used to keep it tight in the first half and start playing second half, could it be something like that?

It's more of a question than a statement, but why would you not think the players were told to do whatever they were doing?

I mean I sat through England games recently with the best players in the country hardly able to string a pass together, that was a tactic from the previous England manager. Only playing for a half could be the game plan!?
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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by truewhite15 » Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:15 pm

Thing is that it really isn't possible to maintain that level for an entire 90 minutes, no matter what level you're at. All games will feature ebbs and flows. The trick is, really, how to manage those ebbs effectively. That's what we're failing to do.

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:22 pm

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Sat Nov 23, 2024 6:04 pm
9 points off top, I dunno that tables not a a great read for me. Will ignore and just enjoy the win tonight!
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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sat Nov 23, 2024 7:30 pm

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I'm completely fcuked off with "brand." Make it fcuking work.
As I say, Evatt has to keep winning a lot more than he loses. One could argue today’s game showed both sides of the Evattian dichotomy. And to keep displaying fallibility, even in wins, isn’t going to dispel the fears.

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by sonicthewhite » Sat Nov 23, 2024 9:14 pm

A great result to cap off the crappest of weeks. Something to smile about at last.
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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by DJBlu » Sun Nov 24, 2024 8:42 am

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A great result to cap off the crappest of weeks. Something to smile about at last.
Keep on trucking fella.

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by The_Gun » Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:25 am

Can we all agree that no combination of Charles, Collins, McAtee and Vic works as a front three?

I think we need to knock that formation on the head and revert to perming two of the four depending upon form and opposition.

Behind them, with our currently available , I think Matete and Sheehan playing deeper, with Thomason in advance of them is our best bet. Matete should be instructed to do the dirty work and hopefully set a platform for Sheehan to dictate play.

Schön and Tutu can provide the width, as none of our forward players naturally want to hit the byline.

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by officer_dibble » Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:31 am

Shame he didn’t try a front three when we couldn’t fit Dapo into the team! As I bemoaned yesterday it felt like the spare man was one of the back three. Which made their goal even more infuriating.

Mcatee played deeper second half and it helped Thomason grab control. But we were not amazing by any stretch - schon was a lot better but Cogley created nothing, again. Grind a result like that out against a Barnsley and it’s a lot easier to dish out the praise.

He now gets the next block of games - but that Wigan home game is on the horizon and only a win will do.

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Post by boltonboris » Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:00 am

First half was an absolute shambles. Genuinely thought there was no way back from it. We didn’t win a single tackle or header. We weren’t tracking runners and had this weird Wheel shape with a couple of sixpence in the middle that had nobody to pass to. I’d have sacked him at Half Time

But goals change games. A goal out of nothing completely changed the landscape of the match and whilst we still didn’t play well, we played with more aggression and intensity and ultimately that won us the game.

Tutu made a difference when he came on. I’ve always defended Cogley, but he was as shit as he’s been yesterday and warrants dropping for a while.

The 3-4-3 does not work. We have not played well at any point using it. It’s messy, gives the oppo too much ball, too much territory and we resort to goofball with no ability to win the ball high. With no extra man in midfield we also lose every second ball. It’s shambolic.

Anyway, a good win in the end but performances like that aren’t sustainable
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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by DJBlu » Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:24 am

Just watching the second half again and Derek Clarke doesn't half get excited over nothing.

That aside.

Didn't really see the first 20 mins but my god is Thomasson outstanding. Coming back from injury, him and Schon both driving with the energy and compassion the game lacked in the first.

Collins making up for his shot onto the bar with the 94th minute winner.

Charles when he makes the pass plays some decent balls through.

Referee was a prick second time viewing, too.

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by Worthy4England » Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:30 am

The difference between the first and second halves was noticable. But that first 45, after the Stockport shambles when they were telling us they were all having a good look in the mirror (they musta just fixed their hair gel) was abysmal. Felt like a half time bollocking, because we looked to be competitive and spun a win. That's on the credit side. As is the fact that only Brum are currently above 2ppg.

I'm with you on the 3-4-3. Football's about the players you have and getting the best out of them. I don't think we're doing that. And to the sustainability of the performance, agree there too. We said after Reading, whilst that was a step up, unlikely you can do that for 90 minutes over the remaining 40 games (at the time).

There's only 4 top 12 teams scored fewer than us but I wouldn't be surprised if we ended nearer the top of the goal-scoring as that's where we've unloaded most of our dosh. Defensively we're a fcuking shambles. It's like the content department didn't bother with that section of the book.

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by Worthy4England » Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:33 am

DJBlu wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:24 am
Just watching the second half again and Derek Clarke doesn't half get excited over nothing.

That aside.

Didn't really see the first 20 mins but my god is Thomasson outstanding. Coming back from injury, him and Schon both driving with the energy and compassion the game lacked in the first.

Collins making up for his shot onto the bar with the 94th minute winner.

Charles when he makes the pass plays some decent balls through.

Referee was a prick second time viewing, too.
I was particularly impressed with the first half commentary line around 30 minutes in "The only way you can see Blackpool scoring is a set-piece" - we had no shots on target. WTF were they watching...

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by DJBlu » Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:50 am

Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:33 am
DJBlu wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 11:24 am
Just watching the second half again and Derek Clarke doesn't half get excited over nothing.

That aside.

Didn't really see the first 20 mins but my god is Thomasson outstanding. Coming back from injury, him and Schon both driving with the energy and compassion the game lacked in the first.

Collins making up for his shot onto the bar with the 94th minute winner.

Charles when he makes the pass plays some decent balls through.

Referee was a prick second time viewing, too.
I was particularly impressed with the first half commentary line around 30 minutes in "The only way you can see Blackpool scoring is a set-piece" - we had no shots on target. WTF were they watching...
I find it extremely annoying when they give their predictions.

"A comfortable win for Bolton..."

We've had one comfortable win all season.

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by Worthy4England » Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:04 pm

Aye, I think their threshold is somewhere around "tough game and a narrow Wanderers win" :-)

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:28 pm

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Aye, I think their threshold is somewhere around "tough game and a narrow Wanderers win" :-)
I don’t mind bias - we all loved Dave Higson - but there’s something approaching amateurism in the hopeless hopefulness. “Surely a foul there” for every 50-50. “Oh that’s a great ball” just as he hits it, so you hear the words just as it sails past a ducking ball-boy.

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Post by Dave Sutton's barnet » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:34 pm

boltonboris wrote:
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Tutu made a difference when he came on. I’ve always defended Cogley, but he was as shit as he’s been yesterday and warrants dropping for a while.
With Schon suspended for the midweek Cambridge trip, Tutu might start on the left. I’d prefer Williams to prove himself at LWB and Tutu RWB but I’m not sure Evatt will change both wingbacks at once, so Cogz rides again.

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Re: Blackpool Rock. At Home to the Seasiders Sat 23 Nov. 12-30..

Post by BWFC_Insane » Sun Nov 24, 2024 3:58 pm

Dave Sutton's barnet wrote:
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Worthy4England wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:04 pm
Aye, I think their threshold is somewhere around "tough game and a narrow Wanderers win" :-)
I don’t mind bias - we all loved Dave Higson - but there’s something approaching amateurism in the hopeless hopefulness. “Surely a foul there” for every 50-50. “Oh that’s a great ball” just as he hits it, so you hear the words just as it sails past a ducking ball-boy.
Higson was a fan commentator before that were even a thing. There was a charm to it. And that would be maybe insulting to say - there was an art to it. He was a nervous watcher too!

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