Dougie Freedman - New Manager

[BWFC_Insane]

TD I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make?

Are you saying we haven't been let down by the performances of these players? I certainly think we have. Individually for the amount they get paid and their experience I think you can point the finger at a number who have let us down consistently and of course a number who are just inconsistent.

As for whether it 'matters to them', i suspect most of them don't give a shiny shite. They are getting paid a lot of money and frankly come out saying the right things and have done for 2 years, yet their performances don't seem to improve.

Even our manager is questioning their attitude individually and collectively. I would suggest that's enough evidence to say that he isnt overly impressed with some of them.

And neither am I.

The fact that we have a group who appear on the whole to lack real desire and determination is not their fault, but as individuals several, could, and should want to do better but it's been going on so long that I don't think they will.

Why do you think Dougie has said we need players who 'want to play for Bolton' not ones who see it as 'them doing us a favour'.

The very point I'm making is that we are in the championship and we'd best scrap our way out of it. You cant do that if some players aren't up for it. Which is why we need change and why our manager is talking about bringing the right character of player in.

My point's very simple. Last two games, we won one decently and lost one to a penalty after dominating it and basically playing well. Improved football. I'm wondering if you think we should suddenly become Barcelona overnight? We had eleven? seasons in the top flight and have a sizeable (no, massive) debt due to the ups and downs of football. Now we're not in the top flight and can't even hope to afford buying our way back. Give it a chance. That's my point in its entirity.

But that's the point I preach with Freedman, as you well know, im saying it takes time to turn around.

But Freedman himself says there is a lot wrong with the club and changes are needed. That's the managers assessment. Not mine.

The squad we have now has been given a long time and has shown itself to be inadequate at getting results. You seem to be suggesting 'no change' just sit it out and hope. But hasn't that gone on for 2 years or more now?

Surely given the fact we have a new manager who has identified the problems and indicates he wants to solve them in a certain way, we need to go with that and give it a chance?

[boltonboris]

I've seen no evidence of us being able to or even attempt to counter attack.

[Tals-biggest-fan]

I've seen no evidence of us being able to or even attempt to counter attack.

Thats because we're leaking goals left right and centre... we then have Kevin Davies up front who has the movement of a sloth and when he is on the pitch 9/10 its getting lumped forward and then headed straight to the keeper.

[boltonboris]

So how then, are we like Mourinho's Chelsea?

[thebish]

But Freedman himself says there is a lot wrong with the club and changes are needed. That's the managers assessment. Not mine.

hmmm... (some selective quoting of the manager's assessment!) - he also said we are not short of quality... which I think you have disputed... so - he doesn't appear to believe that one of the lots of things wrong with the club is a lack of quality - we just need some experience (I think he said)

[BWFC_Insane]

But Freedman himself says there is a lot wrong with the club and changes are needed. That's the managers assessment. Not mine.

hmmm... (some selective quoting of the manager's assessment!) - he also said we are not short of quality... which I think you have disputed... so - he doesn't appear to believe that one of the lots of things wrong with the club is a lack of quality - we just need some experience (I think he said)

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... s/10134667._/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

He's also said we need players who 'want to play for us'.

It's clear that he thinks we have some decent players. Nobody is disputing that but the balance or mix clearly isn't right. It's obvious we can't see out games and he's identified that as being something that needs fixing with new players.

[boltonboris]

"Seeing out a game" that you're not winning. Against a team who had barely registered an attack. Great. Lets sign them all up, so we can draw 0-0 every week.

[BWFC_Insane]

"Seeing out a game" that you're not winning. Against a team who had barely registered an attack. Great. Lets sign them all up, so we can draw 0-0 every week.

It never did Allardyce any harm.

Feck it, sounded like a tight game with few chances. Had Tyrone not had a moment of madness and we had a team confident in keeping clean sheets we'd have had a point and may have nicked it 1-0.

We are not good enough to outscore teams, we've been there and tried that. It's not like we went there and parked the bus. But we didn't take early chances and the game was tight in the second half.

Mind you know all that.....

[thebish]

But Freedman himself says there is a lot wrong with the club and changes are needed. That's the managers assessment. Not mine.

hmmm... (some selective quoting of the manager's assessment!) - he also said we are not short of quality... which I think you have disputed... so - he doesn't appear to believe that one of the lots of things wrong with the club is a lack of quality - we just need some experience (I think he said)

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... s/10134667._/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

He's also said we need players who 'want to play for us'.

It's clear that he thinks we have some decent players. Nobody is disputing that but the balance or mix clearly isn't right. It's obvious we can't see out games and he's identified that as being something that needs fixing with new players.

well - you were! you said we should get rid of every man jack of the useless bastards - just the other day!

[BWFC_Insane]

But Freedman himself says there is a lot wrong with the club and changes are needed. That's the managers assessment. Not mine.

hmmm... (some selective quoting of the manager's assessment!) - he also said we are not short of quality... which I think you have disputed... so - he doesn't appear to believe that one of the lots of things wrong with the club is a lack of quality - we just need some experience (I think he said)

http://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/wa ... s/10134667._/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;?

He's also said we need players who 'want to play for us'.

It's clear that he thinks we have some decent players. Nobody is disputing that but the balance or mix clearly isn't right. It's obvious we can't see out games and he's identified that as being something that needs fixing with new players.

well - you were! you said we should get rid of every man jack of the useless bastards - just the other day!

Quite. Because none of them perform consistently and they all seem to lack some physical and/or mental strength.

Frankly I'm sick of the lot of em.

[BL3]

Are you saying we haven't been let down by the performances of these players? I certainly think we have.

Yes we have been let down by the performances of the players. We've also been let down by the performance of the manager.

If only we'd not given Coyle 2 and a bit seasons to assemble such an expensive weak willed group eh?

I thought that Dougie had changed the mentality? Made us harder to beat? That we were picking up points by digging in, like we did at Brighton... or was all that just bullshit?

[BL3]

Dougies system to be seems very simular to Jose Mourinho's Chelsea when they won the league... they grab a goal and then play on the counter, but for the system to work you need a strong defense and a striker who will score goals consistently we have neither a good defense or a striker who scores consistently...

So why are we playing that system then?

[jaffka]

Dougies system to be seems very simular to Jose Mourinho's Chelsea when they won the league... they grab a goal and then play on the counter, but for the system to work you need a strong defense and a striker who will score goals consistently we have neither a good defense or a striker who scores consistently...

So why are we playing that system then?

because Duggie is the manager and believes that is the best way to get some points

[Hoboh]

Dougies system to be seems very simular to Jose Mourinho's Chelsea when they won the league... they grab a goal and then play on the counter, but for the system to work you need a strong defense and a striker who will score goals consistently we have neither a good defense or a striker who scores consistently...

So why are we playing that system then?

because Duggie is the manager and believes that is the best way to get some points

Not too much evidence of that that about is there?

[Sponge]

'There's no point debating anything online. You might as well hurl shoes in the air to knock clouds from the sky. The internet's perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain't one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling, and a notional "live audience" quickly conspire to create a "perfect storm" of perpetual bickering.'
—Charlie Brooker

[PC1978]

'There's no point debating anything online. You might as well hurl shoes in the air to knock clouds from the sky. The internet's perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain't one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling, and a notional "live audience" quickly conspire to create a "perfect storm" of perpetual bickering.'
—Charlie Brooker

Surely you can't be trying to say that applies to The Wanderer?!?!?!?!

[jaffka]

Dougies system to be seems very simular to Jose Mourinho's Chelsea when they won the league... they grab a goal and then play on the counter, but for the system to work you need a strong defense and a striker who will score goals consistently we have neither a good defense or a striker who scores consistently...

So why are we playing that system then?

because Duggie is the manager and believes that is the best way to get some points

Not too much evidence of that that about is there?

i think that the stats showed a slight improvement in ppg

[CrazyHorse]

Yeah but Charlie Brooker is a cock.

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

Yeah but Charlie Brooker is a cock.

+ 1,000,000

[a1]

'There's no point debating anything online. You might as well hurl shoes in the air to knock clouds from the sky. The internet's perfect for all manner of things, but productive discussion ain't one of them. It provides scant room for debate and infinite opportunities for fruitless point-scoring: the heady combination of perceived anonymity, gestated responses, random heckling, and a notional "live audience" quickly conspire to create a "perfect storm" of perpetual bickering.'
—Charlie Brooker

did he say that in pc zone magazine ?