Freedman out!

[bobo the clown]

A glove-wearer, I guess ?

That doesn't really narrow it down nowadays, does it?!

Tee-hee.

It does if he's from Bolton.

[officer_dibble]

Bruce you've name dropped before you big tease.

Think caps has had you done hook line and sinker SF. I'm not at freedman is the second coming of allardyce stage, but fcuk me owen coyle is the worst thing that has happened to this club for as long as I've been going.

[a1]

A glove-wearer, I guess ?

speaking of 'keepers..

alhabsi wont win his place back neither,.. i'm waiting for that once he's not injured.

dont know what his beef is with him. maybe it stems from " the goalkeepers quit en masse " thing.. that whole thing was a big warning come to think of it. imo.

[Prufrock]

I'm not sure that player's break is that clean, so it's obvious it's not political (;)).

In an unrelated note, I bet Barnsley's dressing room sounds like a Phoenix Nights spin-off.

[SmokinFrazier]

Bruce you've name dropped before you big tease.

Think caps has had you done hook line and sinker SF. I'm not at freedman is the second coming of allardyce stage, but fcuk me owen coyle is the worst thing that has happened to this club for as long as I've been going.

Coyle is still a better manager than Freedman though, although it's undeniable relegation was more damaging than anything Freedman has done so far. If we could forget that either manager had worked for us and appoint either Coyle or Freedman tomorrow with a clean slate, I'd have no hesitation in picking Coyle because he has a far more proven record. Freedman's career achievements stand at finishing 20th and 17th with Palace and then 7th with us. He's never done anything like Coyle did when he got Burnley promoted and Coyle's record in Scotland is exceptional too, winning over half of his games.

I'm not arguing against people when they say Coyle was a poor manager, I just think he's better than Freedman. Freedman's record is genuinely poor considering the teams he's worked with, which is backed up with him having only 3 more wins than losses with a win percentage of a mere 33%. Even though he's a club legend, plenty of Palace fans wanted him to be sacked which puts into perspective the job he did there, barring the 'good' start to the season last year and I'm not overly convinced by that start, considering the first 5 games of it and poor defensive record at home.

What reason is there to think that Freedman is a better manager than Coyle? Without focusing on Coyle's failures, give me anything positive about Freedman as a manager.

[CAPSLOCK]

Bruce you've name dropped before you big tease.

Think caps has had you done hook line and sinker SF. I'm not at freedman is the second coming of allardyce stage, but fcuk me owen coyle is the worst thing that has happened to this club for as long as I've been going.

Coyle is still a better manager than Freedman though, although it's undeniable relegation was more damaging than anything Freedman has done so far. If we could forget that either manager had worked for us and appoint either Coyle or Freedman tomorrow with a clean slate, I'd have no hesitation in picking Coyle because he has a far more proven record. Freedman's career achievements stand at finishing 20th and 17th with Palace and then 7th with us. He's never done anything like Coyle did when he got Burnley promoted and Coyle's record in Scotland is exceptional too, winning over half of his games.

I'm not arguing against people when they say Coyle was a poor manager, I just think he's better than Freedman. Freedman's record is genuinely poor considering the teams he's worked with, which is backed up with him having only 3 more wins than losses with a win percentage of a mere 33%. Even though he's a club legend, plenty of Palace fans wanted him to be sacked which puts into perspective the job he did there, barring the 'good' start to the season last year and I'm not overly convinced by that start, considering the first 5 games of it and poor defensive record at home.

What reason is there to think that Freedman is a better manager than Coyle? Without focusing on Coyle's failures, give me anything positive about Freedman as a manager.

There's lots of bollocks in there, including the 'lots of Palace fans' wanting him sacked and this great record in Scotland, achieved in a league with jumpers for fcuking goalposts

The only time we can come close to comparing like for like is last season with a similar set of players - players Coyle thought good enough to compete in the Prem

Shall we do ppg?

BWFC under dickhead, BWFC under Freedman....over to you, expert

[SmokinFrazier]

Bruce you've name dropped before you big tease.

Think caps has had you done hook line and sinker SF. I'm not at freedman is the second coming of allardyce stage, but fcuk me owen coyle is the worst thing that has happened to this club for as long as I've been going.

Coyle is still a better manager than Freedman though, although it's undeniable relegation was more damaging than anything Freedman has done so far. If we could forget that either manager had worked for us and appoint either Coyle or Freedman tomorrow with a clean slate, I'd have no hesitation in picking Coyle because he has a far more proven record. Freedman's career achievements stand at finishing 20th and 17th with Palace and then 7th with us. He's never done anything like Coyle did when he got Burnley promoted and Coyle's record in Scotland is exceptional too, winning over half of his games.

I'm not arguing against people when they say Coyle was a poor manager, I just think he's better than Freedman. Freedman's record is genuinely poor considering the teams he's worked with, which is backed up with him having only 3 more wins than losses with a win percentage of a mere 33%. Even though he's a club legend, plenty of Palace fans wanted him to be sacked which puts into perspective the job he did there, barring the 'good' start to the season last year and I'm not overly convinced by that start, considering the first 5 games of it and poor defensive record at home.

What reason is there to think that Freedman is a better manager than Coyle? Without focusing on Coyle's failures, give me anything positive about Freedman as a manager.

There's lots of bollocks in there, including the 'lots of Palace fans' wanting him sacked and this great record in Scotland, achieved in a league with jumpers for fcuking goalposts

The only time we can come close to comparing like for like is last season with a similar set of players - players Coyle thought good enough to compete in the Prem

Shall we do ppg?

BWFC under dickhead, BWFC under Freedman....over to you, expert

Coyle's PPG was 1.19 and Freedman's is 1.37, which are both poor. When you consider that Coyle was in charge against far better opposition for the majority of his games in charge, I think his record is better than Freedman's. To further add to that point, averaging at 1.19 in the Premier League last year would have been enough to finish 11th whereas averaging 1.37 per game in the Championship would have been enough to finish 10th in the Championship.

Freedman's PPG is barely above Coyle's and he's doing it in a league without having to many of the best players in the world each week. If we had got promoted last year, I don't think for a second that Freedman would average over 1 PPG.

Again, I ask; what has Freedman done as a manager?

[newcarsmell]

I've heard from somebody who has seen him at close quarters at Wigan (lBolton lad who has now left so he could have an axe to grind) that the difference between Martinez and Coyle is unbelievable

Ones a football manager, the other is winging it

I always knew that Martinez was a complete fraud.. I bet he's not even Spanish !

[CrazyHorse]

Coyle is still a better manager than Freedman though.

Stop it man you're killing me.

[chester white]

Bruce you've name dropped before you big tease.

Think caps has had you done hook line and sinker SF. I'm not at freedman is the second coming of allardyce stage, but fcuk me owen coyle is the worst thing that has happened to this club for as long as I've been going.

Coyle is still a better manager than Freedman though, although it's undeniable relegation was more damaging than anything Freedman has done so far. If we could forget that either manager had worked for us and appoint either Coyle or Freedman tomorrow with a clean slate, I'd have no hesitation in picking Coyle because he has a far more proven record. Freedman's career achievements stand at finishing 20th and 17th with Palace and then 7th with us. He's never done anything like Coyle did when he got Burnley promoted and Coyle's record in Scotland is exceptional too, winning over half of his games.

I'm not arguing against people when they say Coyle was a poor manager, I just think he's better than Freedman. Freedman's record is genuinely poor considering the teams he's worked with, which is backed up with him having only 3 more wins than losses with a win percentage of a mere 33%. Even though he's a club legend, plenty of Palace fans wanted him to be sacked which puts into perspective the job he did there, barring the 'good' start to the season last year and I'm not overly convinced by that start, considering the first 5 games of it and poor defensive record at home.

What reason is there to think that Freedman is a better manager than Coyle? Without focusing on Coyle's failures, give me anything positive about Freedman as a manager.

There's lots of bollocks in there, including the 'lots of Palace fans' wanting him sacked and this great record in Scotland, achieved in a league with jumpers for fcuking goalposts

The only time we can come close to comparing like for like is last season with a similar set of players - players Coyle thought good enough to compete in the Prem

Shall we do ppg?

BWFC under dickhead, BWFC under Freedman....over to you, expert

Coyle's PPG was 1.19 and Freedman's is 1.37, which are both poor. When you consider that Coyle was in charge against far better opposition for the majority of his games in charge, I think his record is better than Freedman's. To further add to that point, averaging at 1.19 in the Premier League last year would have been enough to finish 11th whereas averaging 1.37 per game in the Championship would have been enough to finish 10th in the Championship.

Freedman's PPG is barely above Coyle's and he's doing it in a league without having to many of the best players in the world each week. If we had got promoted last year, I don't think for a second that Freedman would average over 1 PPG.

Again, I ask; what has Freedman done as a manager?

Coyle's "PPG" for Bolton Wanderers in the Championship was 1.1

[CAPSLOCK]

Coyle's "PPG" for Bolton Wanderers in the Championship was 1.1

So

With players signed by Coyle, Feedman has a better record than Coyle and yet Coyle is a better manager

I think we'd better leave it there cos clearly somebody is either thick as pig shit, delusional, an absolute cock or on a wind up

Whichever it is, there's still some porn on the internet I've not seen yet so I'm wasting no more time on this

Case closed

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

To further add to that point, averaging at 1.19 in the Premier League last year would have been enough to finish 11th whereas averaging 1.37 per game in the Championship would have been enough to finish 10th in the Championship.

Incorrect. 1.19 x 38 = 45.22, which is fewer than the 10th-placed team got. (The 10th-placed team, incidentally, were West Ham.)

I checked that stat not to trip you up, but because I was interested and surprised by how much the big teams hoover up points in the top flight. I was vaguely aware that West Brom (8th) had only finished one point closer to Liverpool (7th) than Wigan (relegated), but I hadn't really clocked that they only managed 49 points - and finished 8th, but 23 points behind 5th place. What a predictable division.

Anyway, that's by the by. We can push numbers and hypotheses round the table forever, but the situations are different. As is painfully obvious, since 12 months ago we haven't so much cut our cloth as noticed our bollocks hanging out of our trousers. Before the selective quoters arrive with their own scissors, I know some money was spent in summer, but not a vast amount. I also know that we have one of the division's biggest wage bills. I would wager, ho ho, that this will not be so after this season.

For whatever reason, the squad Freedman inherited had underperformed and been relegated before underperforming in this division, leading to Coyle's exit. Since then Freedman has had to try to point the club in the right direction, with mixed results. Having something like a club record last season for home invincibility, a similar set of staff and players started this term unable to buy a win. As thebish says, perhaps that's the fault of those in boots and those in suits, but I think it is overly and absurdly simplistic to compare Coyle's situation two years ago with Freedman's now.

[Sponge]

Incorrect. 1.19 x 38 = 45.22, which is fewer than the 10th-placed team got. (The 10th-placed team, incidentally, were West Ham.)

I checked that stat not to trip you up, but because I was interested and surprised by how much the big teams hoover up points in the top flight. I was vaguely aware that West Brom (8th) had only finished one point closer to Liverpool (7th) than Wigan (relegated), but I hadn't really clocked that they only managed 49 points - and finished 8th, but 23 points behind 5th place. What a predictable division.

Anyway, that's by the by. We can push numbers and hypotheses round the table forever, but the situations are different. As is painfully obvious, since 12 months ago we haven't so much cut our cloth as noticed our bollocks hanging out of our trousers. Before the selective quoters arrive with their own scissors, I know some money was spent in summer, but not a vast amount. I also know that we have one of the division's biggest wage bills. I would wager, ho ho, that this will not be so after this season.

For whatever reason, the squad Freedman inherited had underperformed and been relegated before underperforming in this division, leading to Coyle's exit. Since then Freedman has had to try to point the club in the right direction, with mixed results. Having something like a club record last season for home invincibility, a similar set of staff and players started this term unable to buy a win. As thebish says, perhaps that's the fault of those in boots and those in suits, but I think it is overly and absurdly simplistic to compare Coyle's situation two years ago with Freedman's now.

I think I'm developing a man-crush on DSB: eloquent, reasonable, funny, knows how to use a comma... *swoon*

[mrplow]

To further add to that point, averaging at 1.19 in the Premier League last year would have been enough to finish 11th whereas averaging 1.37 per game in the Championship would have been enough to finish 10th in the Championship.

Incorrect. 1.19 x 38 = 45.22, which is fewer than the 10th-placed team got. (The 10th-placed team, incidentally, were West Ham.)

I checked that stat not to trip you up, but because I was interested and surprised by how much the big teams hoover up points in the top flight. I was vaguely aware that West Brom (8th) had only finished one point closer to Liverpool (7th) than Wigan (relegated), but I hadn't really clocked that they only managed 49 points - and finished 8th, but 23 points behind 5th place. What a predictable division.

Anyway, that's by the by. We can push numbers and hypotheses round the table forever, but the situations are different. As is painfully obvious, since 12 months ago we haven't so much cut our cloth as noticed our bollocks hanging out of our trousers. Before the selective quoters arrive with their own scissors, I know some money was spent in summer, but not a vast amount. I also know that we have one of the division's biggest wage bills. I would wager, ho ho, that this will not be so after this season.

For whatever reason, the squad Freedman inherited had underperformed and been relegated before underperforming in this division, leading to Coyle's exit. Since then Freedman has had to try to point the club in the right direction, with mixed results. Having something like a club record last season for home invincibility, a similar set of staff and players started this term unable to buy a win. As thebish says, perhaps that's the fault of those in boots and those in suits, but I think it is overly and absurdly simplistic to compare Coyle's situation two years ago with Freedman's now.

As a lurker rather than a poster, this forum would be a more enjoyable read if the word 'Coyle' was banned. He's gone, it's history, he's not coming back.

Freedman doesn't have to be better than Coyle he has to be better than all the other managers in this league (one of which is inconveniently Coyle). Personally I'm more concerned about what happens in the future than endlessly replaying the recent past.

[thebish]

Freedman doesn't have to be better than Coyle he has to be better than all the other managers in this league (one of which is inconveniently Coyle).

[BWFC_Insane]

Meanwhile....over on the Wigan forum SF is also posting....

Another win
...but we were once again dire, same v Forest (second half)and same v Ipswich. Well done lads but I believe the manager is clueless. Set pieces on the whole were woeful, very one dimensional and virtually nothing in the final third apart from set pieces. We got out of jail again, but I feel our luck is slowly going to start to run out!

[thebish]

Meanwhile....over on the Wigan forum SF is also posting....

Another win
...but we were once again dire, same v Forest (second half)and same v Ipswich. Well done lads but I believe the manager is clueless. Set pieces on the whole were woeful, very one dimensional and virtually nothing in the final third apart from set pieces. We got out of jail again, but I feel our luck is slowly going to start to run out!

to be fair, if that's about Coyle - then it sounds a bit more like you used to...

(and - you have kinda revealed the fact that you are ON a Wigan forum!)

[BWFC_Insane]

Meanwhile....over on the Wigan forum SF is also posting....

Another win

it sounds a bit more like you used to...

Nah.

[bobo the clown]

Meanwhile....over on the Wigan forum SF is also posting....

Another win
...but we were once again dire, same v Forest (second half)and same v Ipswich. Well done lads but I believe the manager is clueless. Set pieces on the whole were woeful, very one dimensional and virtually nothing in the final third apart from set pieces. We got out of jail again, but I feel our luck is slowly going to start to run out!

Is that for real ?

SF on the Wigan site. Talking as if a Wigan fan. Criticising Coyle. Warning of doom to come.

Shirley not ??

[mrkint]

Meanwhile....over on the Wigan forum SF is also posting....

Another win
...but we were once again dire, same v Forest (second half)and same v Ipswich. Well done lads but I believe the manager is clueless. Set pieces on the whole were woeful, very one dimensional and virtually nothing in the final third apart from set pieces. We got out of jail again, but I feel our luck is slowly going to start to run out!

Is that for real ?

SF on the Wigan site. Talking as if a Wigan fan. Criticising Coyle. Warning of doom to come.

Shirley not ??

dunno - seems to come from here, can't see a mention of SF tho? Unless your mon bwfci knows summat different.

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