If carlsberg did transfer threads.....This would be it!

[bobo the clown]

According to Hull City News: "We made an enquiry for Josh Vela at Bolton, but were discouraged from making any bid."

Which if its right shows that things aren't anywhere near as bad as what some are making out.

Translation.. if you intend to bid, make a good offer and we will accept it.

Everyone will have their price .... a "good one" would need to be VERY good. But every Premiership club could afford him if they fancy him.

But I see no reason he should wish to go to anything below that level. He's entering that "tricky second season", we'll see how well does.

[jaffka]

According to Hull City News: "We made an enquiry for Josh Vela at Bolton, but were discouraged from making any bid."

Which if its right shows that things aren't anywhere near as bad as what some are making out.
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Translation.. if you intend to bid, make a good offer and we will accept it.

which shows that we aren't in a fire sale.

[bobo the clown]

According to Hull City News: "We made an enquiry for Josh Vela at Bolton, but were discouraged from making any bid."

Which if its right shows that things aren't anywhere near as bad as what some are making out

Translation.. if you intend to bid, make a good offer and we will accept it.

which shows that we aren't in a fire sale.

Every player we have has his price. In Vela's case it would be a decent one.

Every Premiership club could afford any of ours. I see no reason why we would need to sell.to another Championship club ... or why Vela (or Clough) would go to one.

[Enoch]

which shows that we aren't in a fire sale.

It's the wage bill that needs reducing, Vela will be on two bob.

[irie Cee Bee]

Unfortunately we have few saleable assets (Vela is one of them) and multiple central midfielders who nobody wants., so we are stuck with them We need someone to put the ball into the net but need to get the money to buy one...

So where does that leave us. Cant turn our back on a very good offer can we regardless if it comes from another Championship Club, the most likely source. As much as I would want to see more of Vela, our priority is a 15 goal striker to win games for us. Its a tough business.

[jaffka]

which shows that we aren't in a fire sale.

It's the wage bill that needs reducing, Vela will be on two bob.

So you think we are in a fire sale then.

[BWFC_Insane]

I'm not sure what a fire sale means. We won't know what the club would or wouldn't do until a bid is received. If say, 2M came in for Vela, would they need the money, would Eddie demand it accepted? We just don't know. There is a difference between a club ringing Lennon and saying "how much for Josh Vela" and Lennon saying "not for sale" and a club putting down a million or 2 million and the club having a decision to make. And a difference between not actively selling players and turning down solid bids.

We have an annual £10M shortfall that Eddie Davies was covering but now isn't. And I'm assuming the loan from Warburtons and the sale of land has covered the £10M for the coming year. But what about next year? Or the year after? There has to be hope that we can find a new owner before it becomes an issue, but I assume that the board are having to treat it as an issue now.

[StaffsTrotter]

I assume jaffka means fire sale to be we'd accept bids for what in 'normal' situation might be regarded as derisory values.

FWIW surely the point is, that the club has to take into account both the fee and the wages. A Josh for a couple of million on 2 bob, might equate to a Medo for no fee on a couple of million wages. Or am I missing something.
As has been rehearsed any number of times, the conundrum is our major wage earners are not our most saleable assets.

[BWFC_Insane]

I assume jaffka means fire sale to be we'd accept bids for what in 'normal' situation might be regarded as derisory values.

FWIW surely the point is, that the club has to take into account both the fee and the wages. A Josh for a couple of million on 2 bob, might equate to a Medo for no fee on a couple of million wages. Or am I missing something.
As has been rehearsed any number of times, the conundrum is our major wage earners are not our most saleable assets.

Yes but in a normal situation we'd not be releasing players simply to be able to afford Heskey and Dobbin...

My point was that simply, we don't know how much any bid would be a normal rational footballing decision or how much it would be dictated by finance and Eddie Davies' situation. Basically because we don't really know what Eddie Davies' situation really is, nor do we know how much or how little of a hole the club is in right now. I don't think we're at the point of selling players for tiny fees just to keep going, or at least I hope not, but we have no idea how far or close to that point we really are.

[bobo the clown]

^^ So, basically, we know f'call. So comment is mere speculation.

Who'da known ?!

[StaffsTrotter]

I assume jaffka means fire sale to be we'd accept bids for what in 'normal' situation might be regarded as derisory values.

FWIW surely the point is, that the club has to take into account both the fee and the wages. A Josh for a couple of million on 2 bob, might equate to a Medo for no fee on a couple of million wages. Or am I missing something.
As has been rehearsed any number of times, the conundrum is our major wage earners are not our most saleable assets.

Yes but in a normal situation we'd not be releasing players simply to be able to afford Heskey and Dobbin...

My point was that simply, we don't know how much any bid would be a normal rational footballing decision or how much it would be dictated by finance and Eddie Davies' situation. Basically because we don't really know what Eddie Davies' situation really is, nor do we know how much or how little of a hole the club is in right now. I don't think we're at the point of selling players for tiny fees just to keep going, or at least I hope not, but we have no idea how far or close to that point we really are.

which was jaffkas point (i think)

[thebish]

^^ So, basically, we know f'call. So comment is mere speculation.

Who'da known ?!

aye - but that's never stopped us "Immortals", eh Bobo?

[ChrisC]

ALF is having a medical at Wolves season loan with future fee.

Mega, MEGA!! pissed off about this. Eddie Davies can feck off for me. You can't just decide you have had enough and pull the plug. ALF could be the difference between us fighting for our lives and fighting up the top end.

16k a week for ALF must be less than what Baptiste was on.

[BWFC_Insane]

ALF is having a medical at Wolves season loan with future fee.

Mega, MEGA!! pissed off about this. Eddie Davies can feck off for me. You can't just decide you have had enough and pull the plug. ALF could be the difference between us fighting for our lives and fighting up the top end.

16k a week for ALF must be less than what Baptiste was on.

He's put tens upon tens of millions in. At some point he was either going to run out, die, or have had enough.

You don't know what has happened, there were plenty of rumours last season that he'd fallen into ill health so who knows? It is frustrating as a fan, but there was going to be a point where the money wasn't there anymore. Thank Eddie for Anelka, Diouf, Campo, etc etc rather than berating him for a situation that isn't really his fault. He probably expected the club to be able to fund itself by now given all he's poured in.

It isn't like he's hanging on to it like Oyston at Blackpool. He wants a new owner to come in and takeover from him. They're not queuing up though are they?

[Abdoulaye's Twin]

ALF is having a medical at Wolves season loan with future fee.

Mega, MEGA!! pissed off about this. Eddie Davies can feck off for me. You can't just decide you have had enough and pull the plug. ALF could be the difference between us fighting for our lives and fighting up the top end.

16k a week for ALF must be less than what Baptiste was on.

Very harsh. He's been trying to stem the losses for a few years now, not exactly a sudden pulling of the plug. He's had a procession of managers telling him that he just needs a bit more to sign Spearing/Mills/Baptiste and so on and so on. You can't keep doing it expecting a different result.

The other thing is FFP. We only just scraped in on the last accounts. With parachute payments ending and not reducing wages we'll end up with double the loss and a nice FFP ban. We have to increase revenue and reduce costs. He's not allowed to keep chucking money in even if he wanted to. The rules changed.

Finally, ALF or no ALF, we wont be getting promoted, so what's the point of gambling and deepening the shite we're in. We need to tighten the belt and squeeze every ounce out of what we've got for a couple of seasons to get ourselves into a position that we can compete financially again. Sooner folk understand that, the happier you're going to be.

[plymouth wanderer]

ALF is having a medical at Wolves season loan with future fee.

Mega, MEGA!! pissed off about this. Eddie Davies can feck off for me. You can't just decide you have had enough and pull the plug. ALF could be the difference between us fighting for our lives and fighting up the top end.

16k a week for ALF must be less than what Baptiste was on.

Very harsh. He's been trying to stem the losses for a few years now, not exactly a sudden pulling of the plug. He's had a procession of managers telling him that he just needs a bit more to sign Spearing/Mills/Baptiste and so on and so on. You can't keep doing it expecting a different result.

The other thing is FFP. We only just scraped in on the last accounts. With parachute payments ending and not reducing wages we'll end up with double the loss and a nice FFP ban. We have to increase revenue and reduce costs. He's not allowed to keep chucking money in even if he wanted to. The rules changed.

Finally, ALF or no ALF, we wont be getting promoted, so what's the point of gambling and deepening the shite we're in. We need to tighten the belt and squeeze every ounce out of what we've got for a couple of seasons to get ourselves into a position that we can compete financially again. Sooner folk understand that, the happier you're going to be.

Spot on that AT

[ChrisC]

ALF is having a medical at Wolves season loan with future fee.

Mega, MEGA!! pissed off about this. Eddie Davies can feck off for me. You can't just decide you have had enough and pull the plug. ALF could be the difference between us fighting for our lives and fighting up the top end.

16k a week for ALF must be less than what Baptiste was on.

He's put tens upon tens of millions in. At some point he was either going to run out, die, or have had enough.

You don't know what has happened, there were plenty of rumours last season that he'd fallen into ill health so who knows? It is frustrating as a fan, but there was going to be a point where the money wasn't there anymore. Thank Eddie for Anelka, Diouf, Campo, etc etc rather than berating him for a situation that isn't really his fault. He probably expected the club to be able to fund itself by now given all he's poured in.

It isn't like he's hanging on to it like Oyston at Blackpool. He wants a new owner to come in and takeover from him. They're not queuing up though are they?

I know I am probably coming across as ungrateful, but I just think if somebody wants to run a club, you run it until the day somebody takes over. You don't invest when the club is riding high and then pull the plug completely when things aren't so rosey in the garden.

Pull right back on the reigns by all means.. Pull everything completely? No!

We are just going to become less and less attractive to any potential buyer.

[ChrisC]

ALF is having a medical at Wolves season loan with future fee.

Mega, MEGA!! pissed off about this. Eddie Davies can feck off for me. You can't just decide you have had enough and pull the plug. ALF could be the difference between us fighting for our lives and fighting up the top end.

16k a week for ALF must be less than what Baptiste was on.

Very harsh. He's been trying to stem the losses for a few years now, not exactly a sudden pulling of the plug. He's had a procession of managers telling him that he just needs a bit more to sign Spearing/Mills/Baptiste and so on and so on. You can't keep doing it expecting a different result.

The other thing is FFP. We only just scraped in on the last accounts. With parachute payments ending and not reducing wages we'll end up with double the loss and a nice FFP ban. We have to increase revenue and reduce costs. He's not allowed to keep chucking money in even if he wanted to. The rules changed.

Finally, ALF or no ALF, we wont be getting promoted, so what's the point of gambling and deepening the shite we're in. We need to tighten the belt and squeeze every ounce out of what we've got for a couple of seasons to get ourselves into a position that we can compete financially again. Sooner folk understand that, the happier you're going to be.

FFP rules have changed now. If I am not wrong it is judged over 3 years now. This is why Boro are spending like mad men because they have longer to balance the books.

I agree with the majority of what you have said AT, I'm just frustrated I suppose. ALF would guarantee a comfortable season IMO for not a lot of money in today's market.

[TANGODANCER]

Why are we expected to think rationally and sensibly where football's concened? It's never been the case, isn't now and never will be. If we can't compete for the league, F.A.Cup and even Premiership and possibly European level football, well, there's no Father Christmas and it just isn't fair.

[ChrisC]

Why are we expected to think rationally and sensibly where football's concened? It's never been the case, isn't now and never will be. If we can't compete for the league, F.A.Cup and even Premiership and possibly European level football, well, there's no Father Christmas and it just isn't fair.

For me Tango, I would take comfortable mid table. Not bothered about winning anything at all at the moment. I'm just worried we will do a Wigan if we get s few injuries to key players.