Freedman out!

[BWFC_Insane]

Meanwhile....over on the Wigan forum SF is also posting....

Another win
...but we were once again dire, same v Forest (second half)and same v Ipswich. Well done lads but I believe the manager is clueless. Set pieces on the whole were woeful, very one dimensional and virtually nothing in the final third apart from set pieces. We got out of jail again, but I feel our luck is slowly going to start to run out!

Is that for real ?

SF on the Wigan site. Talking as if a Wigan fan. Criticising Coyle. Warning of doom to come.

Shirley not ??

It is a real post by a Wigan fan. It just echoes SF's rhetoric when we were on our winning run under Freedman at the end of last season is all.....

Mind given their squad Wigan are nowhere near where they should be, but that is certainly not a debate worth starting here.

[Il Pirate]

As a lurker rather than a poster, this forum would be a more enjoyable read if the word 'Coyle' was banned. He's gone, it's history, he's not coming back.

Freedman doesn't have to be better than Coyle he has to be better than all the other managers in this league (one of which is inconveniently Coyle). Personally I'm more concerned about what happens in the future than endlessly replaying the recent past.



And all of 'em are worse than Megson..................................

[CAPSLOCK]

Freedman doesn't have to be better than Coyle he has to be better than all the other managers in this league

For somebody telling others what to post about, it might be better if you posted something accurate

I'll give you the bit in bold but the rest is nonsense

[mrplow]

Freedman doesn't have to be better than Coyle he has to be better than all the other managers in this league

For somebody telling others what to post about, it might be better if you posted something accurate

I'll give you the bit in bold but the rest is nonsense

Why ?

[CAPSLOCK]

Well, it depends how you define better

If you mean he has to get more points, that's not even true as it doesn't matter if we get promoted having been 1st, 2nd or 6th

And (using SF's logic) points isn't even a reasonable measure of a managers 'goodness'

Moyes won manager of the year while finishing half a dozen places and 20 points behind Ferguson - does that mean Moyes was 'better' than Ferguson that year?


My view

Freedman HAS to meet the targets set by his employer, not by the fans

Nobody (on here) actually knows what those targets are but I'd be happy if a couple were something like

1 professionalise the senior side of the football club - not just the first team - working alongside the Academy Director to develop/procure young talent from within and without
2 to achieve promotion within 3 years (from now) having integrated 2 or 3 of our own junior players

[Enoch]

My view

Freedman HAS to meet the targets set by his employer, not by the fans

Nobody (on here) actually knows what those targets are but I'd be happy if a couple were something like

1 professionalise the senior side of the football club - not just the first team - working alongside the Academy Director to develop/procure young talent from within and without
2 to achieve promotion within 3 years (from now) having integrated 2 or 3 of our own junior players

It's moments like this make it all worth while.

[mrplow]

Well, it depends how you define better

If you mean he has to get more points, that's not even true as it doesn't matter if we get promoted having been 1st, 2nd or 6th

And (using SF's logic) points isn't even a reasonable measure of a managers 'goodness'

Moyes won manager of the year while finishing half a dozen places and 20 points behind Ferguson - does that mean Moyes was 'better' than Ferguson that year?


My view

Freedman HAS to meet the targets set by his employer, not by the fans

Nobody (on here) actually knows what those targets are but I'd be happy if a couple were something like

1 professionalise the senior side of the football club - not just the first team - working alongside the Academy Director to develop/procure young talent from within and without
2 to achieve promotion within 3 years (from now) having integrated 2 or 3 of our own junior players

Ok. I meant better as in competing with and then finishing above, which as you say could mean top 6 and a good day out at wembley might be enough. Could have worded it more clearly.

I tend to agree on the longer term goals, I think we need to follow the path of a few other clubs who have dropped out of the PL and taken a few years to rebuild.

[BWFC_Insane]

Well, it depends how you define better

If you mean he has to get more points, that's not even true as it doesn't matter if we get promoted having been 1st, 2nd or 6th

And (using SF's logic) points isn't even a reasonable measure of a managers 'goodness'

Moyes won manager of the year while finishing half a dozen places and 20 points behind Ferguson - does that mean Moyes was 'better' than Ferguson that year?


My view

Freedman HAS to meet the targets set by his employer, not by the fans

Nobody (on here) actually knows what those targets are but I'd be happy if a couple were something like

1 professionalise the senior side of the football club - not just the first team - working alongside the Academy Director to develop/procure young talent from within and without
2 to achieve promotion within 3 years (from now) having integrated 2 or 3 of our own junior players

My gut feeling is that is roughly the targets he will be working towards.

[boltonboris]

Course you'd think that. It suits your agenda.

worryingly though, he doesn't seem to trust any of our academy players to come in and make an impact. He said as much, when answering my question at the fans forum

[BWFC_Insane]

Course you'd think that. It suits your agenda.

worryingly though, he doesn't seem to trust any of our academy players to come in and make an impact. He said as much, when answering my question at the fans forum

Its a message board about football not a fecking international conspiracy.

I think it, because it fits with what I've seen and heard, and what has happened.

That doesn't mean it is right. But it is what I think.

[CAPSLOCK]

Course you'd think that. It suits your agenda.

worryingly though, he doesn't seem to trust any of our academy players to come in and make an impact. He said as much, when answering my question at the fans forum

I wonder why that is - maybe theyre not good enough, yet

Kellet made the bench at Brighton

Odelusi has had a run round

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

As a lurker rather than a poster, this forum would be a more enjoyable read if the word 'Coyle' was banned. He's gone, it's history, he's not coming back.

Oh, quite so - which is sort of what I'm saying. Same happened with Coyle v Megson, for a toenail-wrenchingly long time. I s'pose it's the binary nature of the internet: something is either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever; further, its direct comparison has to be the opposite. I have opinions on Coyle but they inform rather than affect my opinions on Freedman, who could be doing a whole lot better than he is but still has my confidence - although it was waning worryingly a fortnight ago. Even had I lost faith in Freedman, it's still a leap from there to wanting sackings and tumult. We can't go through that brouhaha every autumn, it's an unsustainable model so long as football grants multi-year contracts to multi-million-pound assets who are inevitably humanly fallible.

I think I'm developing a man-crush on DSB: eloquent, reasonable, funny, knows how to use a comma... *swoon*

Cheers. Grammar costs nothing, and is, as has been noted, the difference between knowing your shit and knowing you're shit...

[boltonboris]

Course you'd think that. It suits your agenda.

worryingly though, he doesn't seem to trust any of our academy players to come in and make an impact. He said as much, when answering my question at the fans forum

I wonder why that is - maybe theyre not good enough, yet

Kellet made the bench at Brighton

Odelusi has had a run round

I'm not counting the cups to be honest, and it wasn't a criticism of him either, it was merely an observation..

If they're not good enough, he's right not to play them, but I'm not sure that bringing academy players through to the first team is one of his KPI's. If it is, which it probably shouldn't be at this stage, he's failing at it.

But again, not his fault. Yet.

[BWFC_Insane]

Course you'd think that. It suits your agenda.

worryingly though, he doesn't seem to trust any of our academy players to come in and make an impact. He said as much, when answering my question at the fans forum

I wonder why that is - maybe theyre not good enough, yet

Kellet made the bench at Brighton

Odelusi has had a run round

I'm not counting the cups to be honest, and it wasn't a criticism of him either, it was merely an observation..

If they're not good enough, he's right not to play them, but I'm not sure that bringing academy players through to the first team is one of his KPI's. If it is, which it probably shouldn't be at this stage, he's failing at it.

But again, not his fault. Yet.

It may well be a longer term objective. It is something he has certainly stressed so I would be stunned if it wasn't.

Personally I think there is a longer term plan in place and that Eddie will take short term success if it comes along but won't chase it if it doesn't happen.

[boltonboris]

Eddie may not be the one making those decisions once the redevelopment goes ahead

[TKIZ!]

Eddie may not be the one making those decisions once the redevelopment goes ahead

Unless someone stumps up £150m for the club or Eddie were to pass away then he's making the decisions for the foreseeable future

[boltonboris]

You just never know what's around the corner.

[Hoboh]

Eddie may not be the one making those decisions once the redevelopment goes ahead

Unless someone stumps up £150m for the club or Eddie were to pass away then he's making the decisions for the foreseeable future

Not a prayer man, I'd offer him 25 and a 75% payback of the debt that would mean his money back. He's had his cash cow interest payments for long enough and made a killing.

[BWFC_Insane]

Eddie may not be the one making those decisions once the redevelopment goes ahead

Unless someone stumps up £150m for the club or Eddie were to pass away then he's making the decisions for the foreseeable future

Not a prayer man, I'd offer him 25 and a 75% payback of the debt that would mean his money back. He's had his cash cow interest payments for long enough and made a killing.

Of course we don't know if Eddie has received a penny.

[BWFC_Insane]

Eddie may not be the one making those decisions once the redevelopment goes ahead

Unless someone stumps up £150m for the club or Eddie were to pass away then he's making the decisions for the foreseeable future

Not a prayer man, I'd offer him 25 and a 75% payback of the debt that would mean his money back. He's had his cash cow interest payments for long enough and made a killing.

Of course we don't know if Eddie has received a penny or not.