RIP Gary Speed

[Bruce Rioja]

Then I'd suggest that he's in the wrong job!

[thebish]

Then I'd suggest that he's in the wrong job!

I suspect there is stuff we haven't heard (and probably rightly so) which makes this less obvious than it (at first) seems...

[bobo the clown]

Despite all this being somewhat inadequate I said at the time that, really, deep down ... curious as I am ... I don't really want to know the inner details as they are & should be private.

There is a tendency for coroners not to find a suicide if there's any option not to. The lack of a note allows a gap & they do try to look for that as it's less upsetting, overall. Despite that the coroners findings are v odd.

[Hoboh]

Then I'd suggest that he's in the wrong job!

I suspect there is stuff we haven't heard (and probably rightly so) which makes this less obvious than it (at first) seems...

I suggest being an inquest is to determine the cause/reason for a death in an open public setting that no matter how unsavoury the details are if they are not heard, then the inquest cannot be fit for purpose. (see the howls of rage about that scientist bloke during Blairs period of office) Please do not think I am being insensitive to Speedo's family they have my deepest sympathy but it does make you wonder.

[thebish]

Then I'd suggest that he's in the wrong job!

I suspect there is stuff we haven't heard (and probably rightly so) which makes this less obvious than it (at first) seems...

I suggest being an inquest is to determine the cause/reason for a death in an open public setting that no matter how unsavoury the details are if they are not heard, then the inquest cannot be fit for purpose. (see the howls of rage about that scientist bloke during Blairs period of office) Please do not think I am being insensitive to Speedo's family they have my deepest sympathy but it does make you wonder.

I wonder if you are mixing up "inquest" with "public enquiry"?

[Prufrock]

Has he given his findings yet? If he doesn't find suicide then his life insurance will have to pay out one assumes? Not suggesting there is anything untoward but I think that will be a major reason they try not to find suicide if there is any option.

[Hoboh]

Then I'd suggest that he's in the wrong job!

I suspect there is stuff we haven't heard (and probably rightly so) which makes this less obvious than it (at first) seems...

I suggest being an inquest is to determine the cause/reason for a death in an open public setting that no matter how unsavoury the details are if they are not heard, then the inquest cannot be fit for purpose. (see the howls of rage about that scientist bloke during Blairs period of office) Please do not think I am being insensitive to Speedo's family they have my deepest sympathy but it does make you wonder.

I wonder if you are mixing up "inquest" with "public enquiry"?

No, how can the facts be established without all available evidence?

[thebish]

Then I'd suggest that he's in the wrong job!

I suspect there is stuff we haven't heard (and probably rightly so) which makes this less obvious than it (at first) seems...

I suggest being an inquest is to determine the cause/reason for a death in an open public setting that no matter how unsavoury the details are if they are not heard, then the inquest cannot be fit for purpose. (see the howls of rage about that scientist bloke during Blairs period of office) Please do not think I am being insensitive to Speedo's family they have my deepest sympathy but it does make you wonder.

I wonder if you are mixing up "inquest" with "public enquiry"?

No, how can the facts be established without all available evidence?

all the available evidence does not need to be put in the public domain at an inquest...

[Hoboh]

The coroner is a doctor or lawyer responsible for investigating deaths in particular situations and can also arrange for a post-mortem examination of the body, if necessary. An inquest is a legal inquiry into the causes and circumstances of a death.

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So how can they arrive at the correct result without all the facts?

[thebish]

The coroner is a doctor or lawyer responsible for investigating deaths in particular situations and can also arrange for a post-mortem examination of the body, if necessary. An inquest is a legal inquiry into the causes and circumstances of a death.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentc ... /DG_066713" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So how can they arrive at the correct result without all the facts?

listen carefully... not all the facts need to be placed in the public domain...

[Bruce Rioja]

The coroner is a doctor or lawyer responsible for investigating deaths in particular situations and can also arrange for a post-mortem examination of the body, if necessary. An inquest is a legal inquiry into the causes and circumstances of a death.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Governmentc ... /DG_066713" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So how can they arrive at the correct result without all the facts?

listen carefully... not all the facts need to be placed in the public domain...

Indeed they don't.

[thebish]

one thing that we have already been told was known to the coroner but not made public was the actual wording of the "suicidal" texts that gary sent his missus.

my guess is that there are one or two sensitive facts that haven't been made public, which have led the coroner to this "narrative" verdict.

and - I'm with Bobo - I don't WANT to know that stuff.

[Bruce Rioja]

On the 16th Dec 2001 one of my heroes hung himself.

I'm sure that he intended to kill himself.

That'll be why he strung himself up!

[thebish]

On the 16th Dec 2001 one of my heroes hung himself.

I'm sure that he intended to kill himself.

That'll be why he strung himself up!

well - you are entitled to your certainty. The coroner - having weighed up all the available evidence - thought there was enough room for doubt...

[ChrisC]

2 years today

RIP Gary mate.

[Bruce Rioja]

Was playing golf at Altrincham when I heard the news. I still find it difficult to believe.

[Montreal Wanderer]

Was playing golf at Altrincham when I heard the news. I still find it difficult to believe.

Very hard indeed to believe and, as far as I know, we have never really heard why he took his own life.

[Wrighty92]

Was playing golf at Altrincham when I heard the news. I still find it difficult to believe.

Very hard indeed to believe and, as far as I know, we have never really heard why he took his own life.

I've heard from more than one source (unconnected) who are in journalism that his wife was having an affair with Darren Ferguson but there's a super embargo against the story coming out

[clapton is god]

^ but you thought you'd publish and be damned anyway?

[Dave Sutton's barnet]

The sex-with-manager's-wife/daughter rumour always gets an airing, no matter what the circumstance, and how much it calls for dignified restraint. What a squalid little species we can sometimes be.